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Could we get a fuller recap? I remember the working out of a garage in Boone, some job in SC, there was the production welding job that caused wrist issues, there was the pool table moving best job in the world, there was welding for everything attachments, then I believe it was welding for budbuilt that you no showed on for this dream job. What else?
It's hard to be sympathetic when you're the common denominator.
 
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I haven’t read everything in the thread, so sorry if someone already said it. But my advice, and this is basically what I have did, is find a stable company local that you can work for, some kind of production facility. Start out at the bottom, you’ll stay busy and most of the time work a lot harder than what you should for the pay but as others said plan on staying around for a couple years at the start. If you go and prove yourself able to do more things they will find ways to help you move up. Pretty much everywhere has their own automation teams, maintenance teams, machinist, mechanics etc. As you get bored with doing one thing you can move around to different departments but at least you’re staying with the same company. I’m not saying everything will be perfect, I have been with 3 different companies in 10 years but it has me to the company now that I plan on staying at until they tell me to leave but I gave all the others a good chance until I found something truly better.
 
braxton357 said:
when you're the common denominator.
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well I see you and others seem to think it's only and always me but I promise you despite what "seems" it's not what you think. There's is way too much to go into for some or most of those jobs you mentioned and honestly, you would believe and take sides with the other people anyways over me. It's cool though. I gave each one of them my very best for the time I was there and just didn't pan out. My problem, not yours.
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I believe it was welding for budbuilt that you no showed on
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this is what I'm talking about here..you might know that I was a no show when I quit but if only you knew what really went on. You and others might know him on a personal level but when you work for someone for 6months you get to "really know them" and put up with things that just come out of nowhere. He's a great guy, truly is but on a business level not someone I wanna work with/for. I will tolerate a lot hanging out or wheeling/camping/fishing with someone etc etc but working with them is different story....get your act together or I won't be around much longer..that's just me and how I choose to operate! Yeah doesn't make me a lot of friends but don't care to at work.
 
marty79 said:
...get your act together or I won't be around much longer..that's just me and how I choose to operate! Yeah doesn't make me a lot of friends but don't care to at work.
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That's the issue. He and others runs their business, now get this, their way.
As has been said, keep your hood down and your mouth shut. That's how you climb the ladder IMO
 
braxton357 said:
It's hard to be sympathetic when you're the common denominator.
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Pretty sure folks here on the board have vouched for him and gotten him jobs at a few different places, only to have him no-show, quit without notice, or hang around for 6mos before announcing that he's not being treated well and quitting.
 
Jody Treadway said:
That's the issue. He and others runs their business, now get this, their way.
As has been said, keep your hood down and your mouth shut. That's how you climb the ladder IMO
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I agree but..but when it affects me then I have to say something or move on. I am a part of that business/job so when decisions made that affect the employees (as my current job was threatened due to his "decision") then I have to bring up concerns politely and see where it goes otherwise keeping my hood down I could be oblivious and out of a job in a instance. This way I keep my eyes and ears open so I don't/wouldn't get left hanging..my thoughts anyways
 
shawn said:
Pretty sure folks here on the board have vouched for him and gotten him jobs at a few different places, only to have him no-show, quit without notice, or hang around for 6mos before announcing that he's not being treated well and quitting.
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Uh nope only one and I did my very best for 9months
 
@marty79 you can’t look at a business they way you are when your not owner buddy, if you see that every job you’ve had isn’t run “accordingly” then instead of talking about it, be about it... small business ownership isn’t what ya see on job sites/ factory floor the owners typically have put the time in to get to screw off/fish/off-road/drink beer that’s why they pay you! Lol

I work for a kickass guy that’s maybe not the best business man but he does him and makes sure everyone’s paid, can hang with us younger guys too and has a full time job as fireman. I’m the foreman/boss unless he shows up on job sites to change up my game for shits and giggles. I’ve been with this company 6 years now don’t make greatest money but I’ve busted my ass, mostly kept my mouth shut even when I knew it was better way or cheaper way to produce same outcome. That’s part of being an employee tho not an employer!

If I try to buy the company you better believe I’ll be out fishing or drinkin a beer on days my employees are working making money for the company, you gotta just keep rolling with the punches tho every damn job you have you’ll have the same crap imo...That ole saying the boss may not be right, but he’s still the boss holds true!
 
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marty79 said:
I agree but..but when it affects me then I have to say something or move on. I am a part of that business/job so when decisions made that affect the employees (as my current job was threatened due to his "decision") then I have to bring up concerns politely and see where it goes otherwise keeping my hood down I could be oblivious and out of a job in a instance. This way I keep my eyes and ears open so I don't/wouldn't get left hanging..my thoughts anyways
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Are you hired as upper management? Do you sign the checks? The answer is no. Then it’s none of your damn business how the owner conducts his business. If he wants it done a certain way that’s how you do it because your the employee not the employer. Period


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If he thinks everywhere he's worked so far has been a shit show, he oughta try working for the federal government...
 
Loganwayne said:
Are you hired as upper management? Do you sign the checks? The answer is no. Then it’s none of your damn business how the owner conducts his business. If he wants it done a certain way that’s how you do it because your the employee not the employer. Period
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Ok so I have no choice but to explain how a personal business owner I work for IS my business and how it affects me: so listen up, it's why I'm in my "possible" scenario..
My boss (owner) has had a contractor for 3yrs installing his carports and steel buildings and he was the shop guy. Hired me to take over the shop and he had goals of getting another crew or two established and me hire a shop helper and he could work his way from the business and have it running but him relax a bit....Ok cool I can very much respect that for 62yr old guy!! No Problem, sounded good so I took the job!!
Ok now, 3 weeks ago the contractor (due to high increase in sales and more pressure on him I suppose) asked for 2% raise after 3yrs of dedicating himself to the man's business and the boss turned him down. Didn't care was none of my business!! Honest to Gods truth!! So that week no work got done cause well his crew left with him and left the boss hanging...still kept quiet and minded my own business did my job!!
Second week he managed to get couple laborers (VERY HARD to get and keep at such low pay he offers) so now he's back out on the road full time building everything on his own but obviously can't keep up with work load cause his "crew" are just some regular guys looking for some cash. Second week managed to pull in 1 job and half a one...again SLOW income for him since the company doesn't get any money from the sales till the job gets done!
Following....
Week 3: (last week on Wednesday) 2 guys didn't show up, only had 1 show up so he comes to me and says "If I can't find any help, you are gonna have to travel with me to build these buildings otherwise might not be able to keep you in the shop." Now it became my business and I let him know it in a polite way (obviously politely otherwise the "old" john would've got fired that day lol) He hired me to be the shop guy not travel!! I told him when he hired me I cannot travel due to wifes health needs, need to be close to home so he agreed would never be a problem...now it was a problem and now I'm involved in his stupid decision of greed to let his ONLY contractor go over 2% raise...his problem not mine. He's greedy, selfish and just not a very nice guy. Hate to say it but I'd be lying if it wasn't the case unfortunately.
We had a little chit chat and I asked him where I stood and he said "no no you're ok man, I need you you've got job security don't worry" I told him I didn't believe it until I started to see things get back on track but would continue working but not being "blind" to what is going on. I gave him pointers that he NEEDED to call that contractor back otherwise he's going to loose more than 50% of his income rather than give up 2%....did he, nope. Whatever again don't care your show not mine but here I am out "looking" for possible work because I a week later have not seen any "hope" for things to turn around and get better. Everyday he's stressed and blah blah blah cause he's now 8-9weeks behind, losing new sales and couple have backed out ........so you say it's still not my business??? I beg to differ strongly as it is EVERY BIT OF MY BUSINESS now since any day now these "laborers" could leave him hanging completely and he would shut down which means guess what...I'm out of a Job with no notice!!
Moral of this story is there are times when a business does affect and become a employees business weather on small or large scale. I kept quiet for 2 weeks though but the minute it involved me, I had to speak up and "be on alert" everyday now.
 
marty79 said:
Your totally right. The guy, despite I only see him for little bit unless he gets rained out, He's just one of those people that very hard to work for..suppose gets under my skin one too many times. There's more to it just don't wanna get into it but I know the pros I have there vs the bad. This really did start with my job security being threatened 2weeks ago and just kinda ran with it...he tells me otherwise but I don't feel any better about it just cause he "says" so. I suppose I'm more or less keeping my eyes open "in case" I'm out of a job all of a sudden. (kinda hard to make sense of my point without me getting into the situation)
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Your’re :D

John, you seem like a good dude, take these guy’s advice as you have done with your XJs. Respect and leadership is earned, not assumed. Take a step back and chill. As you are a self proclaimed man of god, relax and let him take over and just be. Hang in there and trust there is a plan for you, don’t jump ship so often.
 
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So instead of helping him get out of a
Bind, you instead say I’ve got one and only job here and don’t expect me to step out and help you when shit gets tuff?
If you work as hard as you say you do you could have got him 1/2 way caught back up, made yourself a more valuable employee and possibly got the raise your wanting.

Yes your not wanting to travel, so help him out and get the close jobs done so he can worry about getting the jobs further away done while you do the close ones.

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I'd stop working for small time operations that only have a handful of people and where you see the boss every day. It makes work too personal and I don't bring work home with me. I leave that shit with my toolbox at 3pm.

Single point failure kind of jobs will always suck.
 
How do you know he "hired you to take over the shop".
Not nitpicking, but how was that fact conveyed to you?

Maybe he has insight to the installer/contractor dude that he hasn't shared with you?

In 3 weeks he got 9 weeks behind? He's a great salesman to be able to do that
 
Croatan_Kid said:
I'd stop working for small time operations that only have a handful of people and where you see the boss every day. It makes work too personal and I don't bring work home with me. I leave that shit with my toolbox at 3pm.

Single point failure kind of jobs will always suck.
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this is the best advise in the 4pages of discussion LOL. and Yes i figured this out already so If I do switch jobs, I'm def staying away from private small business owners no matter how "good" things look and sound. I hate getting involved in people's personal crap or business junk. I just want to go to work and work!!! I don't care to be involved in others' business and logistics but when this kinda stuff happens/comes up due to their poor decisions, well now I'm part of it and not much I can do but just be "on guard" while doing my job.
So far spoke to my landlord today and he's got a pretty descent salary offer for me but he's kinda on the back burner as a back up plan since he's been trying to recruit me ever since we moved in little over a year ago. It's all good, lesson learned now after 2 private business owners not working out (this current one still has a chance I suppose) but time will tell. I'm not in a hurry to leave as I do enjoy my schedule and pay but we shall see.

Pretty sure it's safe to say this pretty much ends the discussion right here!!
 
Jody Treadway said:
How do you know he "hired you to take over the shop".
Not nitpicking, but how was that fact conveyed to you?

Maybe he has insight to the installer/contractor dude that he hasn't shared with you?

In 3 weeks he got 9 weeks behind? He's a great salesman to be able to do that
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without going further into it, he spoke and we agreed on these things otherwise I wouldn't have taken job!
and no there's nothing fancy going on with contractor besides the main issue....2%. Seriously!! Greed ruins many people and ruins many businesses I've seen it countless times. It's a "root of all evil" God says and well, there are tons of them in the world who fall prey to it. It's a shame.
 
Loganwayne said:
So instead of helping him get out of a
Bind, you instead say I’ve got one and only job here and don’t expect me to step out and help you when shit gets tuff?
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easy for you to say bud, you have no idea. I promise you I would have done it...traveled without telling my wife I was away from the shop but he is just not that kinda person that I will go out of my way for and do that. I've done it before ( very very risky though if my wife had an attack and needed me at home that day) but only for people who truly weren't greedy and selfish. If you would, good for you but I doubt it after several months of seeing what I've seen in him
 
When I was hiring and firing and I got a new resume or application in my hand, the first thing I looked at was previous work history.
If I saw a history as bountiful as yours, I'd drop it in the round file.

As an employee, every company I worked for, big or small, was run by the biggest idiots on the planet.
As a skilled tradesman, I knew more than anyone I worked with or for.
I was always worth more than the next guy, or more than I made.

All of us can say the same things. Its how we deal with it that makes the difference.

In business, a promise is worthless unless it's in writing ..... once it's in writing it's only worth the paper it's written on.

Very few real guarantees in life and security is worth a whole lot these days, but if you keep going like you are, you are going to become unhirable.


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Lizooki said:
As an employee, every company I worked for, big or small, was run by the biggest idiots on the planet.
As a skilled tradesman, I knew more than anyone I worked with or for.
I was always worth more than the next guy, or more than I made.

All of us can say the same things. Its how we deal with it that makes the difference.
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Bingo!
 
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