Kodak rock closed?

[rdcj5]

I hate to say it ,but my honest opinion is that its not if its shut down ,its when is it gonna be shut down?.There is too many people who dont care and respect what we have ,and too many people who want it that way(closed),what really makes it bad to me is that the west coast has all kinds of places killer to wheel ,and we cant even have one small little half ass place.

 

[Infamous1]

yeah to many against us!! and the people that are causing the trouble will just move on when its closed down!!

scared to death!!!!!

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

For newer people how are they supposed to know what are illegal bypasses and whats not, heck i haven't been going to ure for that long I may have been using an illegal bypass and didn't know it cause it looked so much like a part of the trail.

 

[GotLime?]

For newer people how are they supposed to know what are illegal bypasses and whats not, heck i haven't been going to ure for that long I may have been using an illegal bypass and didn't know it cause it looked so much like a part of the trail.

I agree. I'm sure I've done it as well.

 

[krehel24]

For newer people how are they supposed to know what are illegal bypasses and whats not, heck i haven't been going to ure for that long I may have been using an illegal bypass and didn't know it cause it looked so much like a part of the trail.

Just about every spot that was to hard to get up and some one decided to make there own way up. The "bypass" at the hill climb on RML is just one example

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

[quote="krehel24, post: 1118859, member: 152"just about every spot that was to hard to get up and some one decided to make there own way up. The "bypass" at the hill climb on RML is just one example[/quote]
Ok well what do we do to get a bypass legal, because a place like that needs an easy way around for let's say a dig that's still open open or maybe to get a rig out that has broke on the trail somewhere. If I was in the forestry service I wouldn't consider that an illegal thing to do, it just accommodates a larger range of rigs in a small area of the trail.

 

[krehel24]

It is a snow ball effect, as the "bypass" gets used and more difficult , a new one is made. Note the hill climb on the back side of Daniel, there is now like 4 "bypass". if you Can't make it up the intended trail, get a winch, build your rig better, don't go on that trail. Not trying to be a dick, but if something, we will have no were to ride!

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

It is a snow ball effect, as the "bypass" gets used and more difficult , a new one is made. Note the hill climb on the back side of Daniel, there is now like 4 "bypass". if you Can't make it up the intended trail, get a winch, build your rig better, don't go on that trail. Not trying to be a dick, but if something, we will have no were to ride!

Sorry but this doesn't make any sense, the thing you always hear is that are is a place where you can hit any trail and there's a bypass around the hard sections, for the newbie person on a budget whatever. It has been said on here before that we are responsible for maintaining and doing the work at ure but when we want to open a bypass so everyone can enjoy, or to ease extraction of a broken rig, or shoot to get a new line at the same thing, we suddenly aren't smart enough to do it ourselves and are met with a lot of opposition not only from the forest service but also from guys like you that just think you shouldnt hit that trail.

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

Any news yet that if we do "x whatever" then we can open Kodak back up?

Then this is the perfect time to start working together for the better of our hobby /sport.

 

[Chris_Keziah]

Any news yet that if we do "x whatever" then we can open Kodak back up?

Pretty sure we are still waiting on word from the forest service.


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[Infamous1]

exactly!! its not "our" rigs so to speak hell i will follow anybody and Stuntman will too, but i do have friends in dd rigs that are decent but they dont have a way to get it home if it breaks so should they not wheel? and if they did im sure it would become a trailplug issue, just my opinion, but i agree with a legal bypass setup

scared to death!!!!!

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

Ok sounds good, since we are on the topic how do you go about getting a new trail open? I have been riding and looked off to the side and seen a hill or some rocks that would be sweet to be able to have access to.

 

[krehel24]

My point is this, the trails at URE are a privilege, not for us to just freely make trails as we see fit. If you are with in the diamonds you are fine, out side the diamonds is not legal period! It i85 I'd backed up with traffic, is it legal to use the emergency lane to get around all the traffic? If you can't make it up a trail and there is a legal bypass, use it!!! if you get up a trail and there in no legal bypass, most people out there will pull you up, push you up what ever! That is all part of the fun! Any time I ride with a group I always make sure there is a winch in the front and rear. No one cares about the trails being open but us! No matter how much it sucks we have to play by the rules if we want to enjoy the trails for years to come!! I have spent many nights helping people I have never met up and of trails of fixing there rig, and there are a ton of people like this!!

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

I understand what your saying but it still doesn't make any sense why its so hard for us to be able to make a bypass or a new trail, ure is a trail system not an interstate, it shouldn't be so hard to make or improve trails.
The only thing I see these bypasses as are an improvement to the trail, as a way to ease congestion and a different perspective.

 

[krehel24]

Stuntman: I know what you are saying, but the people that want these trails closed only care about how many trees we destroy or how many rocks we brake, it should not be so hard! But it is, that is why we all have to do what we can to make it right, play by the rules, and try to take care of the trails like it was our own yard. I am out there almost every weekend, I would love to ride with anyone and I will make sure every one gets up the trail! And will have a great time doing it!!!!

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

Stuntman: I know what you are saying, but the people that want these trails closed only care about how many trees we destroy or how many rocks we brake, it should not be so hard! But it is, that is why we all have to do what we can to make it right, play by the rules, and try to take care of the trails like it was our own yard. I am out there almost every weekend, I would love to ride with anyone and I will make sure every one gets up the trail! And will have a great time doing it!!!!

If it was my yard, people would sign a waiver saying any injuries I receive are due to my own dumb self, and it would be go anywhere try anything if you got the balls.

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

But I understand what your saying about the rules it just seems contradictory that the forest service says "We have the land and we are in control of it, it's for all types of wheelers to enjoy. But you are responsible for policing yourselves and maintaining and etc... etc... and if we don't like it anymore we will just shut it down because we don't feel like doing any work."

 

[drkelly]

I've never understood why people get so bent out of shape over bypasses. I consider them to be a good thing for the trail system. It allows the difficult line to be left alone and become more difficult. If the bypass gets too difficult after a few years of use, then just run a dozer down it and smooth it back out to prevent an additional bypass from being created.

 

[Stuntman Autoworks]

We all seem to have different point of views on what is "acceptable". Myself I think the "one lane" trail setup and nothing else approach is too restrictive to be effective or practical in the real world. But at the same time I do think somebody going off and making their own trail way away from everything without any organization at all is wrong. So how do we meet somewhere in the middle and be able to make new and exciting trails, or bypasses in an organized approved way.

 

[krzyabncanuck]

I will also put this out there. When RML was approved about 20 some years ago it was never meant to open as much as we have it right now at Kodak Rock. I seen an USFS engineer out there last year and spent some time talking to him and he said then he was recommending it be shut down. So this really comes as no surprise to me, in fact it will surprise me if we get the go ahead to get it opened back up. From what I remember from years back these trails were only supposed to be open about 10 years then closed back up to regrow. And then open some old trails back up that we shut down years ago that the old timers will remember. I could be mistaken on the years to be open but it was something close to that.

The USFS is throwing up there arms because they do not have the manpower to fix what we as the user group tears up. We is meaning any user group that goes on the trails.

 

[paradisePWoffrd]

I will also put this out there. When RML was approved about 20 some years ago it was never meant to open as much as we have it right now at Kodak Rock. I seen an USFS engineer out there last year and spent some time talking to him and he said then he was recommending it be shut down. So this really comes as no surprise to me, in fact it will surprise me if we get the go ahead to get it opened back up. From what I remember from years back these trails were only supposed to be open about 10 years then closed back up to regrow. And then open some old trails back up that we shut down years ago that the old timers will remember. I could be mistaken on the years to be open but it was something close to that.

The USFS is throwing up there arms because they do not have the manpower to fix what we as the user group tears up. We is meaning any user group that goes on the trails.

This is what they do at brown mtn & other atv parks. A certain number of trails are open & atleast 1-2 are closed from yr to yr for maintenance & regrowth.

 

[ord.sgt.26NC]

how was the bypass at Kodak brought about and who pushed to get it done? I've going there since 04 and the Kodak play area really isn't larger than what it was then.

 

[jeepinmatt]

how was the bypass at Kodak brought about and who pushed to get it done? I've going there since 04 and the Kodak play area really isn't larger than what it was then.

I've been going there long enough to remember that the bypass used to be to the left and you could snake up the middle of the main line in a semi stock vehicle. It looks NOTHING like it did in the late 90's when I first started going there.

 

[drkelly]

I will also put this out there. When RML was approved about 20 some years ago it was never meant to open as much as we have it right now at Kodak Rock. I seen an USFS engineer out there last year and spent some time talking to him and he said then he was recommending it be shut down. So this really comes as no surprise to me, in fact it will surprise me if we get the go ahead to get it opened back up. From what I remember from years back these trails were only supposed to be open about 10 years then closed back up to regrow. And then open some old trails back up that we shut down years ago that the old timers will remember. I could be mistaken on the years to be open but it was something close to that.

The USFS is throwing up there arms because they do not have the manpower to fix what we as the user group tears up. We is meaning any user group that goes on the trails.

I think rotating trails in and out of service makes perfect sense for managing a trail system in a national forest. The only problem is since I first started going to Uwharrie in 1990, I have only seen trails closed down, and no new ones opened up. I'm guessing it just takes too many people to approve opening a new trail for it to really happen. On the flip side, it probably only takes minimal complaints to someone high up in authority to close one.

I appreciate you providing all the information you have to this board.

 

[R Q]

When I was more heavily involved I asked several times why we weren't planting trees, seeding the damaged areas, and doing those kinds of repairs/restorations. I NEVER got answers. I still think there has to be an easier solution than highway guardrail. I still like the hogwire nailed to trees and using T-posts or 4x4's on long runs. Vines can grow into that fence, it catches leaves and debris and lets the healing process begin.
Also if the FS knew there were Arch sites this close to the trails and we were encroaching, then why didn't they let us know so that we could work on it before it got to this point?