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I feel ya brother, but the toothpaste isn’t going back in the tube. What happens in the mean time? Your kids pay the price.
 
Southern_Transplant said:
For the 888th time, NO.

Get involved, take back education, do not cede this vital battleground to socialist indoctrination and those that can't 'do'.

On general principle, a significant portion of tax dollars go to support this vital part of our society. It is up to us to hold the system accountable.

My parents did give up the fight and home schooled me and my three siblings. But they had far less options back in the early 80s. I would argue to be involved in school board elections and advocate for school choice initiatives to hold individual schools accountable.
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Those 2 dudes were doing exactly what you said to do and got shut out and arrested, by the school district police department? Wtf is that? If a school district feels the need for K9 officers and detectives....it's too far gone. Just like everything else, no normal common sense people will be voted into any office because most of the people walking around are idiots. I say we slash the public school budget anyway. 4 hours, 4 classes each day. Only what will make you be a valuable member of society, for the greater good. In my school system there wouldn't be enough time for CRT or dodgeball or pottery classes or chorus or deviant sexual behavior to be taught. All there self centered school board idiots wouldn't be needed. And free breakfast and lunch? Where are the parents and friends and guardians? We already give out WIC and EBT cards. Isn't that for kids food? Is it gonna help you get in college or get a job? No? Then slash it.
 
benXJ said:
Those 2 dudes were doing exactly what you said to do and got shut out and arrested, by the school district police department? Wtf is that? If a school district feels the need for K9 officers and detectives....it's too far gone. Just like everything else, no normal common sense people will be voted into any office because most of the people walking around are idiots. I say we slash the public school budget anyway. 4 hours, 4 classes each day. Only what will make you be a valuable member of society, for the greater good. In my school system there wouldn't be enough time for CRT or dodgeball or pottery classes or chorus or deviant sexual behavior to be taught. All there self centered school board idiots wouldn't be needed. And free breakfast and lunch? Where are the parents and friends and guardians? We already give out WIC and EBT cards. Isn't that for kids food? Is it gonna help you get in college or get a job? No? Then slash it.
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The approach you mentioned has been used before. After desegregation, this pretty much took place in Montgomery, Alabama. They had a bunch of private schools and voted down every single increase to school funding. The basic education you mentioned is probably close to the original intent of the public school system.

There are two flaws in your methodology. The first is that the same idiots you mentioned will need to vote to slash school budgets and direct the changes you outlined. This doesn't seem likely. The second flaw is that there is a very non-idiotic reason to try to have good schools for your neighborhood. It is a very good return on investment for property values. Like it or not, school district quality factors substantially into suburb home values. Anyone who lives in a school district has a vested interest in maintaining a decent school system in order to maintain their property value.
 
mommucked said:
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Morrisville man who went missing after crash returns home weeks later, says he was in the woods

A Morrisville man who went missing weeks ago after a car crash has returned home, his family told WRAL News on Sunday.
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I can't believe his story is true. The temps were below freezing for a few or more nights before he came home.
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these guys had him

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Southern_Transplant said:
The approach you mentioned has been used before. After desegregation, this pretty much took place in Montgomery, Alabama. They had a bunch of private schools and voted down every single increase to school funding. The basic education you mentioned is probably close to the original intent of the public school system.

There are two flaws in your methodology. The first is that the same idiots you mentioned will need to vote to slash school budgets and direct the changes you outlined. This doesn't seem likely. The second flaw is that there is a very non-idiotic reason to try to have good schools for your neighborhood. It is a very good return on investment for property values. Like it or not, school district quality factors substantially into suburb home values. Anyone who lives in a school district has a vested interest in maintaining a decent school system in order to maintain their property value.
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Oh I know that the system is too far gone now....way too much money at stake for people to give up control. We did it to ourselves. We do it all the time.

However....I never said I didn't want great public schools that are well funded. We can teach these kids what they need to get a job and go out and be productive members of society in 4 hours a day. Slash all the extraneous stuff. I understand that chorus and PE are 'nice', but we have to stop spending!
 
benXJ said:
Oh I know that the system is too far gone now....way too much money at stake for people to give up control. We did it to ourselves. We do it all the time.

However....I never said I didn't want great public schools that are well funded. We can teach these kids what they need to get a job and go out and be productive members of society in 4 hours a day. Slash all the extraneous stuff. I understand that chorus and PE are 'nice', but we have to stop spending!
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I'm curious how much time you have spent in a classroom or even among a lot of educators... and more importantly looking closely at school budgets. How much public money do you think is spent on what you consider extraneous stuff compared to the rest?
And if you take all of the "fun" stuff out of school how the hell you expect kids to actually have any motivation to go.
 
benXJ said:
We can teach these kids what they need to get a job and go out and be productive members of society in 4 hours a day.
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I'm also curious if you've really considered WTF else a kid is going to do for the rest of the day while their parents are at work. Half school days are a major burden on working families.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I'm also curious if you've really considered WTF else a kid is going to do for the rest of the day while their parents are at work. Half school days are a major burden on working families.
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So you think the school system and taxpayers should be responsible for taking care of those kids so both parents can work? Don't get me wrong, I understand that and the need for it... But isn't that part of the aggressive versions of the Family Infrastructure Bills?

Personally I favor the idea of a 4 hour school day that focuses on life skills and helping young people be more prepared for adult life. But that shouldn't start until they reach an age where day care isn't really an issue, like 9th grade. The younger children aren't necessarily ready for the intense life skills courses (How to do your taxes, how to apply for a job) but still can easily absorb a 6~8 hour day of the traditional school courses that have been taught for years.
 
zuke said:
So you think the school system and taxpayers should be responsible for taking care of those kids so both parents can work? Don't get me wrong, I understand that and the need for it... But isn't that part of the aggressive versions of the Family Infrastructure Bills?

Personally I favor the idea of a 4 hour school day that focuses on life skills and helping young people be more prepared for adult life. But that shouldn't start until they reach an age where day care isn't really an issue, like 9th grade. The younger children aren't necessarily ready for the intense life skills courses (How to do your taxes, how to apply for a job) but still can easily absorb a 6~8 hour day of the traditional school courses that have been taught for years.
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Agree with all this. No I don't think schools are there to be babysitters, but changing to even shorter days creates a pretty major problem that would have to be addressed.
More useful life skills would definitely be better. We should be teaching how to file taxes and how to make a budget and actually follow it. These htings used to be standard curriculum but aren't anymore.

An important thing to keep in mind is that a lot of kids could absorb things faster if it was at their pace or tailored to them. Teaching in big groups is just really inefficient bc you have to wait for the lowest denominator. But that is just a feature of public education, and is why homeschooling can be so much more efficient. Unless we dump lots of money into the schools to have much higher teach-student ratios, that won't can't happen.
 
justjeepin86 said:
Yeah, that's a great idea. Take away the time kids have to, you know, be kids. Like they don't have enough time to work for the rest of their damn life. Work fuggin sucks and I think it's perfectly ok to learn about music, art, and any other unnecessary thing you can think of.
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exactly.
I also wonder if anybody who thinks removing PE from schools is a good idea actually has any kids and know how much energy they have that must be expended *somehow* in order to actually learn anything.
 
I don't want to pay for Becky to fake her period so she doesn't get to use the giant gym I paid for.

I'm not talking about teaching 6 year olds how to do taxes...we don't teach any age kid that in public school now. Reading, writing, math, and some science. 4 hours a day, and some homework. That some see schools as babysitters is a major problem. Maybe some for profit and non profit deals will pop up to take care of kids after school. Maybe the boys and girls club expands. Maybe some burden falls on the parents!!!!!! That would be amazing!!!!!!

What did kids do FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR when classes weren't in person? I must have missed the stories about kids dying and getting so fat from lack of PE and parents not being able to handle it. We adapt....and sounds like we have the tech and methods to shorten the school day.

These school board goons and all these billions of dollars wasted has got to go.
 
benXJ said:
What did kids do FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR when classes weren't in person? I must have missed the stories about kids dying and getting so fat from lack of PE and parents not being able to handle it.
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Then you weren't paying attention.
Not dying - but weight gain was a real thing. Lots of parents struggled with balancing it. In fact I know very few for whom it wasn't a pretty major challenge, and it worked out well.
 
benXJ said:
I don't want to pay for Becky to fake her period so she doesn't get to use the giant gym I paid for.

I'm not talking about teaching 6 year olds how to do taxes...we don't teach any age kid that in public school now. Reading, writing, math, and some science. 4 hours a day, and some homework. That some see schools as babysitters is a major problem. Maybe some for profit and non profit deals will pop up to take care of kids after school. Maybe the boys and girls club expands. Maybe some burden falls on the parents!!!!!! That would be amazing!!!!!!

What did kids do FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR when classes weren't in person? I must have missed the stories about kids dying and getting so fat from lack of PE and parents not being able to handle it. We adapt....and sounds like we have the tech and methods to shorten the school day.

These school board goons and all these billions of dollars wasted has got to go.
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I'm guessing you don't have kids.....

Home schooling was a huge problem. Many kids i know got a terrible home school education and it was horrible. They all didn't have parents that could spend the time needed during the day. I have smart kids and they still needed a teacher in the house. Luckily my wife worked from home already. It still made her job much harder and she had to work late nights to keep up.
 
Keeping Billy trim is not why I pay taxes for schools. I want Billy to get a job and keep paying into social security. My tax dollars won't fix idiot absentee parents....that are fat themselves and make bad decisions. Aren't there parents getting substantial checks from Biden now in addition to all the other tax breaks given to parents. Pay for a babysitter or some other child care. Halve everyones property taxes and let us use that money for private child care or to pay for a private chorus or baseball team. Or how about, if it was SUCH A STRUGGLE, why didn't those parents demand schools open back up....you know since we kept paying! I must have missed the million parent march demanding to open schools.

Every single more dollar that we give to the public schools/government adds to the corruption and deceit.

Change is not always easy.
 
justjeepin86 said:
I'm guessing you don't have kids.....

Home schooling was a huge problem. Many kids i know got a terrible home school education and it was horrible. They all didn't have parents that could spend the time needed during the day. I have smart kids and they still needed a teacher in the house. Luckily my wife worked from home already. It still made her job much harder and she had to work late nights to keep up.
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Nope...no kids. But I pay for the schools. No problem there (except the bloated cost). I never said anything about no teachers or all day homeschool for every single kid. My point is cut all the extra stuff, cut property taxes, and let parents/market pick up the slack. Heck, I'd start a biz to cater to the kids free time. It would be an economic boom (and my property taxes go down) and less power to these idiot school board members.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I'm also curious if you've really considered WTF else a kid is going to do for the rest of the day while their parents are at work. Half school days are a major burden on working families.
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Homework? Practicing hobbies? Play (gotta keep weight down!). Watch tv. Whatever they do from 3 to bedtime now ...just more of it. Some schools get out now around 2ish. Wtf do the kids do now?
 
benXJ said:
Nope...no kids. But I pay for the schools. No problem there (except the bloated cost). I never said anything about no teachers or all day homeschool for every single kid. My point is cut all the extra stuff, cut property taxes, and let parents/market pick up the slack. Heck, I'd start a biz to cater to the kids free time. It would be an economic boom (and my property taxes go down) and less power to these idiot school board members.
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In dollars - how much does "the extra stuff" that you would cut cost you in a year? Lets hear how much you think you can save. Actual numbers. Have you actually done this math?
Now tell me what exactly you would do with that money you saved that would be better.
Last time we had this argument I figured I pay a total of about $200 annually for everything in our county school budget. And thats being right above the median income and property value.
 
I'm all for more efficient, targeted education that focuses on life skills and useful things. But I see no way its going to save any substantial money or time that won't just cost even more to somebody else in the long run.
 
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