Nissan Titan XD

[ABadJeeper]

Anyone on here have a Nissan Titan XD with the Cummins in it. I don’t want to get into a conversation about it, but if some one was close to Charlotte with one and would hook up to my boat to see how it pulls would be great.

My boats going to be at the upper end of the limits for it and before I buy one I’d love to see if it goes it ok for the couple trips I make back and forth to the coast with it. I know there are a ton of guys towing big 5th wheels with them and the internet guys tell me it will work.

 

[ABadJeeper]

Anyone on here have a Nissan Titan XD with the Cummins in it. I don’t want to get into a conversation about it, but if some one was close to Charlotte with one and would hook up to my boat to see how it pulls would be great.

My boats going to be at the upper end of the limits for it and before I buy one I’d love to see if it goes it ok for the couple trips I make back and forth to the coast with it. I know there are a ton of guys towing big 5th wheels with them and the internet guys tell me it will work.

Answered my own question. Hooked it up and drug it around. I’m really impressed so far.

 

[Croatan_Kid]

Hopefully they're better than they used to be. Apparently they'll use coolant and they have no idea where it's going.

 

[ABadJeeper]

Hopefully they're better than they used to be. Apparently they'll use coolant and they have no idea where it's going.

In the cummins or in the gasser? I've read about the emissions issues that were an issue in the early years but I haven't heard about the coolant issue. They give you a 7 year 70k bumper to bumper and then the dealership threw in a lifetime powertrain warranty with a $100 deductible. It's not my one ton Ram but since I daily drive it the mega cab 1 ton just isn't really practical.

 

[Croatan_Kid]

The issues were with the Cummins. Other than that, I haven't heard much about them aside from how ugly they are.

 

[VortecJeep]

I've been curious, is the cummins the same as the one in the Ram, so you just have to choose which truck you like better? Or are they different engines?

 

[BRUISER]

Biggest problem when I looked at them was ass end squat when towing so it will need air bags and you can't flat tow them behind an RV.

 

[83oldyoda4x4]

way different 5.0 vs 6.7, 310hp/555tq vs 370hp/800tq, smaller truck same mpg. even tuned haven't seen the titans put down much power.

 

[LBarr2002]

I've been curious, is the cummins the same as the one in the Ram, so you just have to choose which truck you like better? Or are they different engines?

way different 5.0 vs 6.7, 310hp/555tq vs 370hp/800tq, smaller truck same mpg. even tuned haven't seen the titans put down much power.

I assumed he was asking about the ecodiesel 1500 ram, which is a 3.0.

 

[1-tonmudder]

Answered my own question. Hooked it up and drug it around. I’m really impressed so far.View attachment 276561

The real question is not about the engine but the trans and rear axle.How much and for how long are they gonna hold up to towing.Im willing to bet that thing is rated close to what my 01 F350 is.

 

[Ron]

I assumed he was asking about the ecodiesel 1500 ram, which is a 3.0.

The eco 3.0 is an FPT/Iveco/New holland whatever you want to call it.

 

[ABadJeeper]

The issues were with the Cummins. Other than that, I haven't heard much about them aside from how ugly they are.

Well I got the lifetime powertrain warranty do hopefully I won't need it. I've had a number of Cummins over the years and some have been trouble free and some have required a little more attention. I think the truck is a little fugly but with a leveling kit and some nice wheels and tires I think they are decent looking. It fits my needs right now better than my current Ram 3500.

I've been curious, is the cummins the same as the one in the Ram, so you just have to choose which truck you like better? Or are they different engines?

Totally different. Titan is a 5.0L v8 and the my current Ram is the 6.7L straight 6

Biggest problem when I looked at them was ass end squat when towing so it will need air bags and you can't flat tow them behind an RV.

I will be adding airbags for sure. I was surprised though that it wasn't on the bump stops with my boat. I didn't know you couldn't flat tow them. That's not a big deal for me as I can't afford an RV right now. LOL

way different 5.0 vs 6.7, 310hp/555tq vs 370hp/800tq, smaller truck same mpg. even tuned haven't seen the titans put down much power.

I'm pretty sure there is some tuner out there that is in the 450-500hp and 750ish tq at the wheels right now. It's a niche truck and I know it doesn't have the same go or potential as my current 6.7 Aisin combo in my Ram but it got the job done when I put my boat on it the other day. It's kinda funny to think 10 years ago the 1 ton trucks of the day had less power.

The real question is not about the engine but the trans and rear axle.How much and for how long are they gonna hold up to towing.Im willing to bet that thing is rated close to what my 01 F350 is.

The trans is built by Aisin and from what I understand a smaller version of the one in my current Ram. I've heard it is overbuilt for the truck and motor. As for the rear it is an AAM axle with a 9.8" ring gear. It should do the job for the 5-10% towing my truck will do.

 

[Ron]

I dont know much about the Titan as a whole.

I know rearend problems have plagued Nissan for years. Ive had 3 personal friends own Titans. 2 of the 3 have had rear end problems including 1 getting lemon lawed after no less than 4 full rear axle swaps. But that was a pretty early Titan. He didnt even tow anything. The other rear end issue is on a '17 and its currently in the shop for the 2nd time, but that dude abuses his.

Now the CTD 5.0 V8...Ive got a little more experience with. To be fair. My experience was early in the release cycle.

Its a CGI block and its been known to fail catastrohpically and spectacularly under high loads.
Its a 4 bolt per cylinder head design. Identical to the 6.0/6.4 Ford heads. I never had issues there, but just a side note for Cummins fan boys.
Its only configuration(that Im aware of) includes plastic valve covers....I mean I guess it isnt a problem but it pissed me off.
The EGR circuit was problematic on the early ones. Not sure if its been resolved.

The CPG business unit dumped the ISV5 after only 9 months and went back to the QSB line increasing cost to improve reliability.

The entire model has a fascinating development story. Originally it was a joint development of Chrysler/Cummins. It was ready for release Q4 2007. Then 08 and the bailout. Plans were shelved. Chrysler defaulted on payments. Then post bailout there were injunctions preventing the design from being sold to other manufacturers. Cummins strategically shelved the unit and wouldnt use it in other platforms as a negotiating tactic to ensure the fed realized it was developed"just for the light pickup market"...then when the matter was ultimately settled rushed it out into their Ag and PowerGen business units. A good friend was a senior designer on the platform. He along with several others got laid off or re-assigned due to its early failures. Then there were flirtations with Toyota...those went as far as 6 Tundras sitting in Indianapolis with the 5.0 in them, packaged by Cummins as a proof of concept...then nothing. Then Nissan.

 

[1-tonmudder]

Its only configuration(that Im aware of) includes plastic valve covers....I mean I guess it isnt a problem but it pissed me off..

Not yet but how many 258 and 4.0 valve covers have been replaced over the years??



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[shawn]

Biggest problem when I looked at them was ass end squat when towing so it will need air bags

That's everything nowadays. Hook up a trailer to a late model F350 and watch what happens.

 

[83oldyoda4x4]

I like the idea of a 1/2 ton with a smaller diesel, i just wish they got better MPGs compared to a 2500 and cost less not the same. I guess we will see how the resale holds up.

 

[Ron]

I like the idea of a 1/2 ton with a smaller diesel, i just wish they got better MPGs compared to a 2500 and cost less not the same. I guess we will see how the resale holds up.

The new f150 plwerstroke v6s kill the mpg. High 20s, low 30s if you try.
But they cost as much as a 350.

 

[ABadJeeper]

I dont know much about the Titan as a whole.

I know rearend problems have plagued Nissan for years. Ive had 3 personal friends own Titans. 2 of the 3 have had rear end problems including 1 getting lemon lawed after no less than 4 full rear axle swaps. But that was a pretty early Titan. He didnt even tow anything. The other rear end issue is on a '17 and its currently in the shop for the 2nd time, but that dude abuses his.

Now the CTD 5.0 V8...Ive got a little more experience with. To be fair. My experience was early in the release cycle.

Its a CGI block and its been known to fail catastrohpically and spectacularly under high loads.
Its a 4 bolt per cylinder head design. Identical to the 6.0/6.4 Ford heads. I never had issues there, but just a side note for Cummins fan boys.
Its only configuration(that Im aware of) includes plastic valve covers....I mean I guess it isnt a problem but it pissed me off.
The EGR circuit was problematic on the early ones. Not sure if its been resolved.

The CPG business unit dumped the ISV5 after only 9 months and went back to the QSB line increasing cost to improve reliability.

The entire model has a fascinating development story. Originally it was a joint development of Chrysler/Cummins. It was ready for release Q4 2007. Then 08 and the bailout. Plans were shelved. Chrysler defaulted on payments. Then post bailout there were injunctions preventing the design from being sold to other manufacturers. Cummins strategically shelved the unit and wouldnt use it in other platforms as a negotiating tactic to ensure the fed realized it was developed"just for the light pickup market"...then when the matter was ultimately settled rushed it out into their Ag and PowerGen business units. A good friend was a senior designer on the platform. He along with several others got laid off or re-assigned due to its early failures. Then there were flirtations with Toyota...those went as far as 6 Tundras sitting in Indianapolis with the 5.0 in them, packaged by Cummins as a proof of concept...then nothing. Then Nissan.

Yea I have read about some of the failures. It seems a lot were early on. I figure I have a lifetime warranty on it so hopefully I won’t have to use it but you never know. I have my reservations but it’s the only truck that fits my needs besides keeping my Megacab 3500 which I really like or stepping back down to a 2500 to get a little better ride. I’m just tired of daily driving it because it’s just a pain in the ass visiting customers and whatnot due to its size.

 

[BRUISER]

I like the idea of a 1/2 ton with a smaller diesel, i just wish they got better MPGs compared to a 2500 and cost less not the same. I guess we will see how the resale holds up.

Look at the GMC (I think canyon) with a 4 cyl diesel. Can tow 7000 lbs and gets high 20's around town.

Met a guy that towed a car trailer and a lawn mower in bed across the country and got 20mpg average. I know his son and son validated it.

 

[BRUISER]

That's everything nowadays. Hook up a trailer to a late model F350 and watch what happens.

My GMC 2500 does not sag.

 

[shawn]

My GMC 2500 does not sag.

I don't believe you.

There was a new Chevy 2500 sitting at Lowe's the other night with an empty Kaufman 24' deckover. It was dragging ass. To be fair, it might have had a "leveling kit", which really just makes the problem worse... but looked to be stock.

 

[Blaze]

Don't know much about the diesel, but my good buddy has a new gasser Titan as a work truck and they beat the crap out of them. He hasn't had any real issues with anything on it other than it looking really ugly. I tell him his truck looks like a toucan.

And the gas motor sounds like a diesel.

 

[jeepinmatt]

I like the idea of a 1/2 ton with a smaller diesel, i just wish they got better MPGs compared to a 2500 and cost less not the same. I guess we will see how the resale holds up.

Interestingly, I like the idea of a half ton with a smaller diesel, but I feel like the current crop is TOO focused on gas mileage and would be better served with a 4.0L diesel and a little more torque. The Ram Ecodiesel averages about 23mpg in real world driving, compared to about 15-16mpg for all the gassers. I imagine the new F150 and Silverado 1500 diesels will be about the same as the Ram, maybe slightly better. But they lack the power to competently pull 10k pounds. They are all about 240hp and 450ft-lbs, but if they'd bump up to a 4.0 diesel, that number would be about 300hp and 550ftlbs, and should still be able to average in the 20-22mpg with real world driving, but much more capable for "truck stuff".

 

[Ron]

Interestingly, I like the idea of a half ton with a smaller diesel, but I feel like the current crop is TOO focused on gas mileage and would be better served with a 4.0L diesel and a little more torque. The Ram Ecodiesel averages about 23mpg in real world driving, compared to about 15-16mpg for all the gassers. I imagine the new F150 and Silverado 1500 diesels will be about the same as the Ram, maybe slightly better. But they lack the power to competently pull 10k pounds. They are all about 240hp and 450ft-lbs, but if they'd bump up to a 4.0 diesel, that number would be about 300hp and 550ftlbs, and should still be able to average in the 20-22mpg with real world driving, but much more capable for "truck stuff".

I mean how much HP you need to pull 10k?
Crap we are 15 years from 1ton trucks being at those numbers.
I think suspension and total vehicle weight is the real towing issue there?

 

[jeepinmatt]

I mean how much HP you need to pull 10k?
Crap we are 15 years from 1ton trucks being at those numbers.
I think suspension and total vehicle weight is the real towing issue there?

I hear you, but having driven multiple 3.0 diesel cars and SUV's in the past few years, that is not a sufficient amount of engine for compentently towing 10k. Can it do it? Sure. To your point, towing safety comes from vehicle mass, wheelbase, strong frame, and good brakes. A turnt up 3L diesel is fun in a 4k pound car, but a stock 3L diesel is not even "fast" in a 5k pound SUV. Throw it in a 6K pound truck and put a decent load behind it, and I bet it is borderline dangerous for uphill on ramps. And that's coming from a diesel fanboy.