Packing heat on campus

I just want every chance and opportunity that I can get to protect myself in the time of a crisis. If you are against the carry, then dont carry. If a dude walks into my classroom, holding a gun saying hes going to kill everyone, i at least want the chance to put 3 slugs center mass. Instead i would be crouching on the floor wishing I had my gun.
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How many times do the police pull there gun, as a sign of force, without the intention of shooting someone.
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Ok dude look at your 2 sentences here. You are saying that guys are not always pulled to shoot. So what happens when some kid gets "robbed at gunpoint" and pulls out his gun? Maybe him, the people around him, or even a loved one get one to the dome. Maybe some stupid kid with a fake gun gets shot and they get sued. Adding more guns to a shitty situation isn't going to help. Its like when people talk about legalizing weed. If you legalize weed you are still going to have dealers........they are just going to deal harder sh!t. Criminals are criminals and they are going to make $ no matter if kids have guns or not

And I understand state is more f'd up which in my mind makes no freaking sense and it should be the opposite but the pirates are lovers not fighters.
 
raleighjeepguy said:
So what happens when some kid gets "robbed at gunpoint" and pulls out his gun? Maybe him, the people around him, or even a loved one get one to the dome. Maybe some stupid kid with a fake gun gets shot and they get sued.
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Maybe something bad happens, anywhere, ever, and you get scared and piss your diaper. Maybe something goes wrong and we all realize life isn't a fairy tale and everybody starts crying. Maybe somebody doesn't get that hug they need. Oh no! What're we gonna do?!?!
 
raleighjeepguy said:
Ok dude look at your 2 sentences here. You are saying that guys are not always pulled to shoot. So what happens when some kid gets "robbed at gunpoint" and pulls out his gun? Maybe him, the people around him, or even a loved one get one to the dome. Maybe some stupid kid with a fake gun gets shot and they get sued. Adding more guns to a shitty situation isn't going to help. Its like when people talk about legalizing weed. If you legalize weed you are still going to have dealers........they are just going to deal harder sh!t. Criminals are criminals and they are going to make $ no matter if kids have guns or not

And I understand state is more f'd up which in my mind makes no freaking sense and it should be the opposite but the pirates are lovers not fighters.
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Uh...what? Let's try and organize our thoughts a little more before we hit that 'submit' button...

I give the chronic 7-10 years before we get tired of trying to control it...didn't this week mark the 75th aniversery of the prohibition lift?...

But we're not at a Cypress Hill concert...we're talking about guns...although...



raleighjeepguy said:
You are saying that guys are not always pulled to shoot.
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Pistol whip that that mother...
...although my pistol barely weighs a pound...might not even make a difference...

EDIT: If it wasn't obvious throw a bunch of :flipoff2:'s throughout my posts...
 
Sorry to ruffle your panties man...

I just think it's funny...

...we did this a few weeks ago on the same topic...

http://nc4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39032

My opinions are in that thread...if you weren't a cheap bastid' you could read 'em:flipoff2:


EDIT: Ah damnit! I knew I should'a hit that quote button...why'd you go and edit your post?...If you really want to discuss it more I'd be happy to. No more jokes, I promise.
 
if you dont want there to be CC on campus, dont worry about it.....ITS A CONCEALED CARRY, most of the time, raleighjeepguy, you will never see the gun someone is carrying anyway.

Ask the police, 99% they draw their gun, is to show force, not with the intention of shooting someone....


However, If i'm carrying concealed on campus, if I were toe ver draw the gun I would 100% have the intention of shooting someone that is trying to take my life.


Raleighjeepguy, i'm not trying to call you out, or say your opinion is wrong, by any means, opinions are like assholes, everyone has them, and they are all shitty, I'm just defending my stance on the matter, as you have the right to do the same
 
if you dont want there to be CC on campus, dont worry about it.....ITS A CONCEALED CARRY, most of the time, raleighjeepguy, you will never see the gun someone is carrying anyway.
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I'm not in school any more. I do however have kids and when you have them your opinions may change on people carrying guns.

Raleighjeepguy, i'm not trying to call you out, or say your opinion is wrong, by any means, opinions are like assholes, everyone has them, and they are all shitty, I'm just defending my stance on the matter, as you have the right to do the same
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No problem. Everyone can have an opinion in my mind. Its what makes the US great. What bothers me is when people get personal about it but haven't seen that on these boards so you r opinion seems to only have a mild stinch :fuck-you::bounce2:
 
Mac5005 said:
How many times do the police pull there gun, as a sign of force, without the intention of shooting someone.
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Uh, that would be never. If they clear leather, they have to be ready to use it.

They draw without shooting to give them an advantage in that they are ready to discharge while the bad guy is still drawing.

Jesus.. I'm not even a cop and I know this shit.
 
So then you wouldnt want your kid(s) to be able to protect themselves in college?
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That would be a hell no to them taking guns to college. Too many things can happen with guns. My kids will hunt but theres not much a chance I'd approve of them using guns unsupervised at that point. Then again my kids are prob going to be assholes like me and not listen regardless. I had a shotgun in the house at school but it was b/c I lived in a really great part of town. I can honestly say it came out 2x. No real need imho for kids to carry on a school campus.
 
raleighjeepguy said:
I'm not in school any more. I do however have kids and when you have them your opinions may change on people carrying guns.
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I have a daughter in high school and hope by the time she goes to college they will be allowed to CC on campus. I want her to have every opportunity to protect herself. At 15 she can shoot better than alot of adults and hold her own in a fight.
 
raleighjeepguy said:
That would be a hell no to them taking guns to college. Too many things can happen with guns. My kids will hunt but theres not much a chance I'd approve of them using guns unsupervised at that point. Then again my kids are prob going to be assholes like me and not listen regardless. I had a shotgun in the house at school but it was b/c I lived in a really great part of town. I can honestly say it came out 2x. No real need imho for kids to carry on a school campus.
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Well i guess we'll leave that decision to your kids. If they are in college at 21, its their decision to be able to carry or not, not yours. At 21 they'd be an official adult, and legally allowed to then own, and carry concealed (if they desire and get their liscense).

Anyway, my point to all is this: People in politics that are older, need to stop making decisions today, that will take the right to choose in ANY matter, away from the people of the next generations. CC should be allowed on campus, if it is desired, if its not desired, then dont carry. We are denied the right to choose now, and that should not be the case. I understand my statement can not be applied to every issue we are facing, however there are plenty of issues it can be applied. So don't waste your time, trying to figure out all the scenarios that my statement will not work with, its not worth it.
 
raleighjeepguy said:
That would be a hell no to them taking guns to college. Too many things can happen with guns. My kids will hunt but theres not much a chance I'd approve of them using guns unsupervised at that point. Then again my kids are prob going to be assholes like me and not listen regardless. I had a shotgun in the house at school but it was b/c I lived in a really great part of town. I can honestly say it came out 2x. No real need imho for kids to carry on a school campus.
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We're not talking about kids carrying. We're talking about adults carrying. If your offspring can't use guns unsupervised when they're 21 god damn years old, when the hell can they?
 
raleighjeepguy said:
That would be a hell no to them taking guns to college. Too many things can happen with guns. My kids will hunt but theres not much a chance I'd approve of them using guns unsupervised at that point. Then again my kids are prob going to be assholes like me and not listen regardless. I had a shotgun in the house at school but it was b/c I lived in a really great part of town. I can honestly say it came out 2x. No real need imho for kids to carry on a school campus.
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I'm 21 and in college. So you think I should not be allowed to carry a handgun unsupervised?
 
Rich said:
Uh, that would be never. If they clear leather, they have to be ready to use it.

They draw without shooting to give them an advantage in that they are ready to discharge while the bad guy is still drawing.

Jesus.. I'm not even a cop and I know this shit.
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I agree Rich, but I personally have been in a situation with a Gun drawn, and there were no OTHER weapons involved whatsoever. I then asked the LEO after the incident as to why he drew his weapon, and that is when he explained it to me, exactly how he was trained.
 
all opinions aside, there are a lot of people in here ignoring hard FACTS.

1. like it or not, our constitution gives us the right to bear arms. it doesn't say only in certain places or only in certain situations.

2. the data consistently shows that more guns = less crime.

Its like when people talk about legalizing weed. If you legalize weed you are still going to have dealers........they are just going to deal harder sh!t.
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what? no, it's not anything like that. there are TONS of legal drugs that are "harder" than marijuana. i would suggest you do some research on drugs and what schedule they fall under before making any more statements like that. you might find history of the prohibition era eye opening as well.
 
what? no, it's not anything like that. there are TONS of legal drugs that are "harder" than marijuana. i would suggest you do some research on drugs and what schedule they fall under before making any more statements like that. you might find history of the prohibition era eye opening as well.
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my point wasn't really the drugs. It was the fact that criminals will always be criminals and if someone wants to shoot up a school they are going to do it or find another way to cause harm. After the ok bombing pretty sure no one thought terrorists would fly planes into buildings. Escalation happens. Sorry if I offended anyone with my thoughts. And about the drugs I'm pretty sure I have a firm grasp on how it works but thanks for the suggestion. PS: Prohibition comes no where into this nor does it make a point for you.
 
raleighjeepguy said:
That would be a hell no to them taking guns to college. Too many things can happen with guns, knives, forks, scissors, rocks, cars, sticks, sharp pencils, light bulbs, ECT....
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i fixed it for you. Anything could be dangerous. Why could too many things happen with guns but not with the 100's of other potentially dangerous things that are at schools already?

Everything is dangerous. Like i said, a gun is just one way to harm someone. It can be done by anything. If the criminals have guns, why not have an equal chance?

Everything in life needs proper training to use, and anything is safe with someone who knows how to handle it.

The whole point is that people who don't want CC allowed on campus wont be affected by it being there, but the people who want CC get screwed by those who make laws against it.

You dont need CC to carry a gun illegally. You only need to abide by it if you are a law abiding citizen.



What it all boils down to is this... If i have a gun, and a gunman comes on campus, i might be able to save my life, strangers lives, and even possibly yours or anyone else who is against CC on campus.

HOWEVER, if i dont have a gun and a gunman comes, we are sitting ducks.
 
That would be a hell no to them taking guns to college. Too many things can happen with guns, knives, forks, scissors, rocks, cars, sticks, sharp pencils, light bulbs, ECT..
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really did you just compare guns with light bulbs and sticks? Can you please pull me the info on accidental light bulb deaths last year. I'm sorry for anyone that had a valid argument about having guns on campus b/c that just ruined it.
 
raleighjeepguy said:
really did you just compare guns with light bulbs and sticks? Can you please pull me the info on accidental light bulb deaths last year. I'm sorry for anyone that had a valid argument about having guns on campus b/c that just ruined it.
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I think what CAS was saying is that Guns are not the only dangerous thing on campus....referring to your previous comment about you kids not being able to hold a gun unsupervised during their "college" years. He was asking a rhetorical question about whether you think knives, forks, sticks, light bulbs should all be also banned form campus, b/c they COULD be dangerous
 
I think what CAS was saying is that Guns are not the only dangerous thing on campus....referring to your previous comment about you kids not being able to hold a gun unsupervised during their "college" years. He was asking a rhetorical question about whether you think knives, forks, sticks, light bulbs should all be also banned form campus, b/c they COULD be dangerous
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They aren't comparable at all although you can't have a knife over a certain length on a college campus which I also agree with. I know that wasn't the type of knife you were referring to. I mean lets ignore the thousand plus accidental gun deaths every year and focus on forks which are obviously on the same level. After a brief check I actually couldn't find an accidental fork death. Wonder why? College is a place for learning not guns. In the the history of the US there has been about a quarter of the deaths in school shootings as the average of one years worth of accidental gun deaths. Thats 50 years of school shootings= roughly 3 months of accidental gun deaths in the US.

Tell that to the VT students. This isn't the same world it was 15 years ago.
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Rather someone talk to VT about how poorly the situation was handled in the first place. Why was that kid in school period? Why were people not on lockdown? Lots of things could have prevented deaths in that situation.
 
raleighjeepguy said:
Rather someone talk to VT about how poorly the situation was handled in the first place. Why was that kid in school period? Why were people not on lockdown? Lots of things could have prevented deaths in that situation.
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Oh really.. I didn't know every door was locked and had a badge reader, and that the campus had controlled access like Fort Bragg. Because without both, he could have done the same thing, whether or not he was currently a student.

And kicking him out would have done GREAT things for his mental instability..
 
Oh really.. I didn't know every door was locked and had a badge reader, and that the campus had controlled access like Fort Bragg. Because without both, he could have done the same thing, whether or not he was currently a student.

And kicking him out would have done GREAT things for his mental instability..
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The students should not have been let off of lockdown until he was in police custody. Thats what I meant. Also who cares. The kid was stalking women, talking about killing people, and numerous prof's advised that he needed to be removed. He went to 1 counseling session at school and never went back. To me that screams falling through the cracks and it wasn't followed up on properly.
 
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