Pole barn style shop estimate

Jody Treadway said:
I heard back Friday. $33k for a 30 x 50 and $40k for a 40 x 60. Concrete and insulation included. Not sure exactly what options that covers, but that'll be ball park anyway
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Are these stick built or metal buildings at that price? They look stick built on the website
 
Well shit, I just learned that my county zoning limits accessory structures to the same height as the primary dwelling (unless in AG & > 5 acres). I live in a 1 story ranch, so even with a little slope to the back yard I'm stuck with about 17' above grade. Going to have to be creative to fit a lift.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Well shit, I just learned that my county zoning limits accessory structures to the same height as the primary dwelling (unless in AG & > 5 acres). I live in a 1 story ranch, so even with a little slope to the back yard I'm stuck with about 17' above grade. Going to have to be creative to fit a lift.
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Add a structure to the house to raise the height, or look into what they consider measurable height.

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So how tall would that allow your building to be? You usually only need 10-12 feet ceiling height to clear the lift itself. Sounds like you'll just need a really flat roof pitch so the walls can be taller.
 
Croatan_Kid said:
So how tall would that allow your building to be? You usually only need 10-12 feet ceiling height to clear the lift itself. Sounds like you'll just need a really flat roof pitch so the walls can be taller.
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I wanted 30' deep. At 4/12 roof pitch, which matches the house, that means center is 5' tall leaving 12' exactly, but then have truss thickness for it to fit under. It's doable with some planning but not much room for error. Also, I've been envying a friend's in-ground 2-post lift so that would buy a little overhead height (at a much larger cost...)

I need to think on it more. What I'd really prefer anyway is just 1 high bay and the other 2/3 covered at a more reasonable 9' w/ an attic/loft space. But I'm realizing that's difficult w/ trusses in the way. Steel prefab following the roofline would also solve the problem at higher $$.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I wanted 30' deep. At 4/12 roof pitch, which matches the house, that means center is 5' tall leaving 12' exactly, but then have truss thickness for it to fit under. It's doable with some planning but not much room for error. Also, I've been envying a friend's in-ground 2-post lift so that would buy a little overhead height (at a much larger cost...)

I need to think on it more. What I'd really prefer anyway is just 1 high bay and the other 2/3 covered at a more reasonable 9' w/ an attic/loft space. But I'm realizing that's difficult w/ trusses in the way. Steel prefab following the roofline would also solve the problem at higher $$.
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youd be better off with a red iron shop. most of them can do a 25-30ft clean span between column lines. the perlins are usually 10 thick.
 
Loganwayne said:
youd be better off with a red iron shop
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The next 18 months will be interesting when it comes to anything steel/aluminum

Suppliers are already prepping mfgs for STOOOPID price hikes in raw material due to the Chinese tariffs. Had an LG rep take us to lunch yesterday and said he had to readjust his quotes on 2 schools bidding today 4 times yesterday alone
 
CasterTroy said:
The next 18 months will be interesting when it comes to anything steel/aluminum

Suppliers are already prepping mfgs for STOOOPID price hikes in raw material due to the Chinese tariffs. Had an LG rep take us to lunch yesterday and said he had to readjust his quotes on 2 schools bidding today 4 times yesterday alone
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Ya we are running into that as well. Had a project under contract and building manufacturer jumped 7500 over night. We ended up canceling their contract and going with another company we use. Even with steel prices jumping like crazy I ran the numbers and red iron we can get for about 1/2 cost of a Mortan style building. That may have to do with the amount of buildings we buy. But talking to our sells rep he thinks it’s gonna jump up high and then drop back down once everything settles down and steel production has increased in the us, he thinks 6-8 months.


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History suggest it will jump up, then settle half way back down .
Post Katrina I was getting 4 hour copper prices.
Now that the shortage is I've copper prices are half what they were mid crisis..but still 70% higher than pre event. Yet all the manufacturers cry about not making money.
 
Loganwayne said:
But talking to our sells rep he thinks it’s gonna jump up high and then drop back down once everything settles down and steel production has increased in the us, he thinks 6-8 months.
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That's the same thing the LG rep said. Look for crazy hikes for 6 months until US production kicks back up. (then something something about how if Trump would have already had US production in place....grumble grumble) (see Katrina copper/PVC)

Anyway, when suppliers have to hold their numbers for projects lasting 2+ yrs though, the impact goes a lot further than the 6 month mark, and makes us look like Amateurs because the bids come in WAY over projected budgets :rolleyes: But I gave those numbers 6-8 months ago before the shit hit the fan
 
CasterTroy said:
That's the same thing the LG rep said. Look for crazy hikes for 6 months until US production kicks back up. (then something something about how if Trump would have already had US production in place....grumble grumble) (see Katrina copper/PVC)

Anyway, when suppliers have to hold their numbers for projects lasting 2+ yrs though, the impact goes a lot further than the 6 month mark, and makes us look like Amateurs because the bids come in WAY over projected budgets :rolleyes: But I gave those numbers 6-8 months ago before the shit hit the fan
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And people get mad that our estimates are good for 60 days unless unforeseen changes in the cost of materials. We’ve had people that I gave quotes to two years ago call up and say let’s do it. They are not happy when I say well it’s probably going to cost 15-20% more now. You want me to reqoute the job?


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CasterTroy said:
The next 18 months will be interesting when it comes to anything steel/aluminum

Suppliers are already prepping mfgs for STOOOPID price hikes in raw material due to the Chinese tariffs. Had an LG rep take us to lunch yesterday and said he had to readjust his quotes on 2 schools bidding today 4 times yesterday alone
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Our builder told us something similar yesterday. Glad my buidling is up and accounted for. He said the prices they have been quoted on steel have gone up 25% in the past few weeks.
 
My quote was for 12 foot walls. In my email to them I remember specifying 30 x 40 x 12 and a lift.
 
Just got another quote, this guy said since he'd be buying 16ft 6x6s mine as well have 13ft walls. Quoted for a 16-18ftx10 roll up door plus a 10x10 roll up door and a 10ft wide lean to down the entire side for $25,600 plus 5700 in concrete but said he'd do it for 30k.
Seems to be the best so far, I'm ready to get it going! Everyone I've talked to is about 2-3 weeks out before starting and this guy said completion in 45-60 days.
 
Silverado_Express said:
Just got another quote, this guy said since he'd be buying 16ft 6x6s mine as well have 13ft walls. Quoted for a 16-18ftx10 roll up door plus a 10x10 roll up door and a 10ft wide lean to down the entire side for $25,600 plus 5700 in concrete but said he'd do it for 30k.
Seems to be the best so far, I'm ready to get it going! Everyone I've talked to is about 2-3 weeks out before starting and this guy said completion in 45-60 days.
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There is a reason everyone else is backed up 2-3 weeks and he can be there tomorrow. He may have just hit a lull but I’d ask questions and get a contract with a pay schedule


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What dimensions is that?
 
I'll throw this in there.
Is cheapest the best? This structure is only gonna protect/store some of your most valuable and expensive possessions. Such as tools and vehicles and what not.

Just a thought. I understand having a budget also.one thing I was talking to a co-worker about was doing a pole style shelter to get things out of the rain and then boxing it in and doing the floor as money allows.
 
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Seen on Facebook earlier.
 
Loganwayne said:
There is a reason everyone else is backed up 2-3 weeks and he can be there tomorrow. He may have just hit a lull but I’d ask questions and get a contract with a pay schedule
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I watched one of those HGTV shows while sitting at a Dr's office or something one day. Basically, it was an entire show about people that had been screwed over by their GC, and HGTV was here to fix their problems. It all boiled down to "the GC kept sending invoices, and the owner kept paying them, then the GC stopped showing up, and only then did the owner realize that no work had been done."

Stupid is expensive.
 
shawn said:
I watched one of those HGTV shows while sitting at a Dr's office or something one day. Basically, it was an entire show about people that had been screwed over by their GC, and HGTV was here to fix their problems. It all boiled down to "the GC kept sending invoices, and the owner kept paying them, then the GC stopped showing up, and only then did the owner realize that no work had been done."

Stupid is expensive.
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We’re getting ready to put up 3 metal buildings for a company and pay schedule is
Concrete payment once ALL slabs are finished
Building payment once ALL buildings are on site
Final payment once ALL buildings have passed inspection.
Something as simple as that could save most People from getting screwed over


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I'm doing a G702 review right now :lol:

Not familiar with residential, but don't most GC's require 10%-15% up front to start?
 
Ron said:
History suggest it will jump up, then settle half way back down .
Post Katrina I was getting 4 hour copper prices.
Now that the shortage is I've copper prices are half what they were mid crisis..but still 70% higher than pre event. Yet all the manufacturers cry about not making money.
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We're supplying a pretty major school project in Wake County. The fasteners for one of our subs have gone up nearly 20% in the last 6 weeks. Directly related to the tariffs. My cousin is a commercial sales rep for a major drywall yard in TN. He said the same is happening with their metal studs and metal products.
 
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