Pole barn style shop estimate

Loganwayne said:
We’re getting ready to put up 3 metal buildings for a company and pay schedule is
Concrete payment once ALL slabs are finished
Building payment once ALL buildings are on site
Final payment once ALL buildings have passed inspection.
Something as simple as that could save most People from getting screwed over


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Crap my standard for owner's is
20% up front
20% at approval of submittals
20% At completion of manufacturing PRIOR TO SHIP
20% upon receipt, acceptance and placement on pad
20% upon successful inspection approval
 
Ron said:
Crap my standard for owner's is
20% up front
20% at approval of submittals
20% At completion of manufacturing PRIOR TO SHIP
20% upon receipt, acceptance and placement on pad
20% upon successful inspection approval
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This isn’t a regular customer, we’ve done about 8mil business with him in the last 3 years


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Just to clarify, my statement didn't say he could start today. I meant everyone including him is 2-3 weeks out and that once he starts it's 45-60 days until it is finished. I don't have a Facebook but apparently there's stuff posted he's done. "Malone's grading and fencing" or something like that. Haven't looked it up, still trying to just get all the pre estimate quotes and will pull the trigger on the best value, not cheapest, as soon as the money is right
 
What size building was your quote for
 
CasterTroy said:
I'm doing a G702 review right now :lol:

Not familiar with residential, but don't most GC's require 10%-15% up front to start?
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I wouldn’t pay anyone $ up front for anything, GC included. I’m a GC and I don’t require that. In my eyes, that type of practice is for people who don’t have the cash flow to fund the project and realistically, are likely to have sourcing and cash flow issues during the project duration, thus potentially compromising the success of the project. You could end up with a sub that isn’t paid and risk getting a lien placed due to lack of payment from a GC.

If large amounts of materials need to be purchased, then set up a delivery and payment schedule once materials actually arrive on site, or buy direct or issue a joint check to the vendor and GC or something. As an owner, there are way better ways to getting the GC paid than paying $ up front.

The contractor has the option of filing a lien on the property for nearly anything and can reasonably expect to get his $. What does an owner have to recover $ lost to a GC that fails to perform as required? Can’t file a lien. Small claims are a PITA and rarely work out. The owner is the one taking all the risk and trusting that the vendors and subs are being paid properly.

Write a contract. AIA has a pretty good library of fair contract templates you can use. If the GC has a contract, compare it to the AIA contract since I feel that it’s usually equally fair for both the GC and owner.
 
Ron said:
What size building was your quote for
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30x40x13 with 10x40 lean to down the left side. Big roll up door in front, man door, and 10x10 roll up door in right side at the back. Figured having 2 roll up doors will help with air flow and I'll put my lift access as the back right so parking can be in the front at the big door which will basically be in front of my driveway.
 
CasterTroy said:
How much are you bonded for?
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I’m not bonded. Don’t need it. No invoicing until work is complete. I never have a client’s $ for work or materials that have yet to be completed. I am insured with buikder’s risk but that’s a whole different discussion.

If a client wants bonding, then they can pay the premium or find someone else. This typically weeds out any clients that would be problematic.
 
I just got a quote back today for a 40x40x14. Everything seems in line but I just can't get over the grading cost. I have access to a transit and could rent equipment and do it myself for less than half. What do you think?
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cgm147 said:
I just got a quote back today for a 40x40x14. Everything seems in line but I just can't get over the grading cost. I have access to a transit and could rent equipment and do it myself for less than half. What do you think?
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14 loads of fill... we’re paying 150-175 a load depending on travel distance that’s a chunk of the cost.
Also fiber might be okay, but our engineer we use talked the owner out of it on the two projects we have done, seems to have a higher chance of cracking and settlement issues. All were commercial jobs. But rebar mat is cheap


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I don't think I'd let them haul off my top soil. They're just going to turn around a sell it and make even more money off of you. Besides, why do they need to dig that much out? Is it not suitable to build on or can they not just build up a pad on top of it?


Also....is your dog dropping a deuce in that picture?
 
Croatan_Kid said:
I don't think I'd let them haul off my top soil. They're just going to turn around a sell it and make even more money off of you. Besides, why do they need to dig that much out? Is it not suitable to build on or can they not just build up a pad on top of it?


Also....is your dog dropping a deuce in that picture?
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Top soil has to be removed for any construction, you have to remove the organic matter or it causes settlement issues


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Croatan_Kid said:
I don't think I'd let them haul off my top soil. They're just going to turn around a sell it and make even more money off of you.
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So, dumb, asshole question. Maybe it's just the bourbon...
why not let them take it? Like, WTF else would you do with 1600 sq ft of topsoil just laying around leftover? Who cares if they're going to make money.
They have a business. Not everybody wants to mess w/ moving dirt around.
Or are you saying you should ask them for a discount to take it? E.g. sell it to them?

I view this kind of like the guys who pick up scrap stuff for free, or even charge to pick up.
 
Yea I have a list of some of the questions above to send in. There isn't much slope in the yard to require 14 loads. If I could just get a hoe home from work it would be ready to build in a half a days work.

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RatLabGuy said:
So, dumb, asshole question. Maybe it's just the bourbon...
why not let them take it? Like, WTF else would you do with 1600 sq ft of topsoil just laying around leftover? Who cares if they're going to make money.
They have a business. Not everybody wants to mess w/ moving dirt around.
Or are you saying you should ask them for a discount to take it? E.g. sell it to them?

I view this kind of like the guys who pick up scrap stuff for free, or even charge to pick up.
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Top soil that they are taking isn’t worth anything, the soil will have to much plant matter in it and most likely they are hauling it to a dump hole somewhere


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@RatLabGuy It's dirt...there's always use for it somewhere if you've got any amount of property. Low spot in the yard? Get some dirt. Wife wants a flower bed? Tell her to get some dirt. You'll need it for something eventually...dump it somewhere out of your way and it's there when you need it. I'm just saying I wouldn't let them haul it off unless that's what he asked them to do. I know I could use all the dirt I could get at my place.
 
cgm147 said:
Yea I have a list of some of the questions above to send in. There isn't much slope in the yard to require 14 loads. If I could just get a hoe home from work it would be ready to build in a half a days work.

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Salisbury ain't that far from me ;)

And be careful bringing hoes home from work. My wife gets jealous when I do that :lol:
 
jeepinmatt said:
Salisbury ain't that far from me ;)

And be careful bringing hoes home from work. My wife gets jealous when I do that :lol:
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Train her right and she will get excited and join in.
Then tell me the secrets and Ill train mine as well.
 
Just signed contract with contractor (not the Malone guy, kept forgetting about me or standing me up to meet and discuss a quote)
30x40x12, 10x40 lean to down the left side (woods side), 16x10 insulated electric roll up door in front, 3ft man door, 10x10 insulated roll up door and 2 windows on right side (yard side) fully insulated and he uses full wood trusses, not the metal strip ones with the zig zag bar $30,500. Ordering material tomorrow out of Columbia so fingers crossed it all goes well for me!
 
Silverado_Express said:
Just signed contract with contractor (not the Malone guy, kept forgetting about me or standing me up to meet and discuss a quote)
30x40x12, 10x40 lean to down the left side (woods side), 16x10 insulated electric roll up door in front, 3ft man door, 10x10 insulated roll up door and 2 windows on right side (yard side) fully insulated and he uses full wood trusses, not the metal strip ones with the zig zag bar $30,500. Ordering material tomorrow out of Columbia so fingers crossed it all goes well for me!
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Make sure you get those wood trusses built in such a fashion that you can have attic space.
 
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