Project Saving Silverman

Kickdeez said:
Meh…I don’t mind snagging a timing kit or some miscellaneous small parts from them, but they are way too proud of their assembled motors. It’s a 22re. It’s not meant to be some precision built high performance motor. It’s meant to be ridden hard and put up wet by someone who doesn’t care about it.
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3rz
 
rcalexander105 said:
3rz
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I don’t hate it. And I don’t hate you for repeatedly pushing your agenda on me regarding this topic. Buuuut, I’ve been down this rabbit hole a couple times in the past week as I start to wrap my head around the needed motor work. I love the idea of a 3rz. But the cost of a fresh 3rz isn’t what it used to be. Not to mention the hassle and costs (known and unanticipated) associated with doing any motor swap. I’ve decided that the “easy button” and the most reasonable route for me is to stick with the 22re.
 
Ignore the below if there is any question of the condition of the current engine...

If the bottom end is in good shape, there is nothing wrong with a dingle ball hone and hand polished crank with fresh bearings, rings, timing set, gaskets, and bolts (oil pump maybe??). This can easily be assessed by a simple disassembly. IF crank is currently good, no special tools needed. Plastigage is really pretty good with the factory bolts, then assemble with new hardware. NEVER reuse the TTY factory stuff unless there is a super simple re-hack I don't know. Dawn, brake-clean, WD-40, motor oil and assembly lube FTW. Keep it as clean as possible and rock out. I've seen some of your other posts, you can totally do it.
 
Kamel said:
Ignore the below if there is any question of the condition of the current engine...

If the bottom end is in good shape, there is nothing wrong with a dingle ball hone and hand polished crank with fresh bearings, rings, timing set, gaskets, and bolts (oil pump maybe??). This can easily be assessed by a simple disassembly. IF crank is currently good, no special tools needed. Plastigage is really pretty good with the factory bolts, then assemble with new hardware. NEVER reuse the TTY factory stuff unless there is a super simple re-hack I don't know. Dawn, brake-clean, WD-40, motor oil and assembly lube FTW. Keep it as clean as possible and rock out. I've seen some of your other posts, you can totally do it.
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A couple things to unpack here, but consider your advice very much appreciated and completely ignored 🤣

1st point: I’m not going to do any of that. Everything you said makes complete sense, and sounds very doable. I’m sure I could do it, but I don’t want to. Not on this project anyway.

2nd point (and probably the more important point): The bottom end is believed to be all original and has 350k miles. The previous owner (who only drove it to church on Sundays 🤣) seems to remember that the bottom end was making some unusual/undesirable noises right before it was parked.

Thanks for the advice though! Maybe another project and another time. But hopefully not.
 
skyhighZJ said:
just mail your purse to LCE
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i don't recommend lol. its been 10 weeks and I'm still waiting on my turbo kit and ECU that ships in 5-6. They can't get back to me on what's the status, last i heard was last week they reached out to the shipping department to see what was up. I'm not sure why we couldnt walk down there to figure it out since they're all in the same building but maybe its my low IQ. This is my first problem with them though
 
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gslander said:
Radiator wise I am running a stock denso radiator off a 2.4 Tacoma on my 3.4 Tacoma with the factory clutch fan and it stays nice and cool with the AC blasting on high, in the summer while crawling. Something to maybe look into, I don't trust electric fans at all. No idea if that would fit in a skinner but may be worth a look.
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I used to have that mentality (i still do to a extent) but my diagnosed heavy right foot syndrome and coming from a 7k lbs land cruiser that i could never keep cool on the trails with the factory fan clutch, even changing the fluid weights around I've been a fan boy of electric fans ever since, The one in mine has been strong and its nice to leave the truck on for my non-existent A/C at the top of P1 at Windrock after climbing the mountain while waiting on all my buddies 1st gens to cool down. I carry around an extra electric fan just in case cause they're so cheap off of amazon. But i think if mine was more of a daily i would fun a fan clutch to be honest
 
Good parts haul today. Snagged the following:

Complete set of dual cases with 23 spline inputs f/r, OG inchworm adapter, RCV rear output, triple drilled rear flange, twin sticks, 1 bomb proof mount and 1 factory mount.

TG dual case crossmember

Spare rear driveshaft

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badass project. Just just to throw my piss poor advice in… 5vz is the way to go. I swapped a 120k one in my 94 and luckily had a wiring guru chop and wire tie a couple wires and it works great. There is a dude that will sell you the whole harness online and you can call him up and chat it through. Off-road Solutions is the company. I got sound advice and several parts off him, mainly the oil pan swap parts to work with the solid front axle.

Double the power and roll. I’ve had a few instances where I wanted another gear with stock duals but nothing I couldn’t solve with more throttle. I’m not sure if a 4.7 gear set is the answer or if every rig has that in between gears void they want. I’m currently selling chicken eggs to maybe one day fund a 4 spd atlas.

But hands down if you are messing with motors the 5vz is my unsolicited recommendation. Mine fit with a small body lift to avoid cutting the hood.
 
frankenyoter said:
badass project. Just just to throw my piss poor advice in… 5vz is the way to go. I swapped a 120k one in my 94 and luckily had a wiring guru chop and wire tie a couple wires and it works great. There is a dude that will sell you the whole harness online and you can call him up and chat it through. Off-road Solutions is the company. I got sound advice and several parts off him, mainly the oil pan swap parts to work with the solid front axle.

Double the power and roll. I’ve had a few instances where I wanted another gear with stock duals but nothing I couldn’t solve with more throttle. I’m not sure if a 4.7 gear set is the answer or if every rig has that in between gears void they want. I’m currently selling chicken eggs to maybe one day fund a 4 spd atlas.

But hands down if you are messing with motors the 5vz is my unsolicited recommendation. Mine fit with a small body lift to avoid cutting the hood.
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I ain’t mad at ya brother. I know a 5vze would be a huge upgrade over the 22re. I’ve had rigs with a 22r, a 3rz and a 5vze. They are all solid, reliable and relatively simple motors. If mo powa was on my priority list I would absolutely be considering a motor swap. That just isn’t the direction I’m taking this build.

I know myself pretty well at this point in my life (years of past and ongoing therapy really paying off here). And if I’m being entirely honest, swapping out a couple hamsters for a couple squirrels is just gonna leave me disappointed and broker than I already am. If I’m gonna file bankruptcy for more horsepressures, I can promise you it will be for as much power as Visa, Mastercard and AmEx will finance until they realize I can’t pay them back. I’m talking launch-this-fucker-into-orbit power.

But to hopefully close the loop on this topic, no motor swap for this project…for the foreseeable future anyway. I don’t like to say “never” bc I could change my mind at some point. Maybe a father/son motor swap down the road. But that’s many moons and beers away.
 
YJJPWrangler said:
@Kickdeez looking good man...holler if you need a hand...

I expect this to be ready and on the trails by the NotNC4x4 G2G!
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Thanks brother! I will def take you up on your offer. Plenty of work t’be done!

As far as getting this thing ready for the G2G…that is certainly a good, but extremely ambitious goal for this project. Motivational? Yes. Realistic? Maybe/maybe not. Don’t let my recent parts acquisitions fool you. This may not get done as quickly as it may seem to be moving now.

There have also been discussions of a Harlan buggy trip that weekend. But nothing is set in stone yet. The 24th is my birthday. Both would make for a solid birthday weekend.
 
It's the rule of the internet forum:
OP: lays out a detailed, relatively thought out reason why they don't want to do a motor swap (or any other major mod).
Next 20 posts: people recommending to do exactly what the OP doesn't want to do and way oversimplifying the execution of that modification :laughing:
 
gslander said:
It's the rule of the internet forum:
OP: lays out a detailed, relatively thought out reason why they don't want to do a motor swap (or any other major mod).
Next 20 posts: people recommending to do exactly what the OP doesn't want to do and way oversimplifying the execution of that modification :laughing:
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Sorry, I glazed over the last 3 pages...are we now back to a 2JZ swap? :rockon::driver:

Hot Rod Toyota GIF by MotorTrend
 
gslander said:
It's the rule of the internet forum:
OP: lays out a detailed, relatively thought out reason why they don't want to do a motor swap (or any other major mod).
Next 20 posts: people recommending to do exactly what the OP doesn't want to do and way oversimplifying the execution of that modification :laughing:
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💯

It’s fine. I fully expected it. And you guys are cool enough that I’m willing to put up with it…for now. I’m legitimately shocked (and maybe even disappointed) that nobody has said “LS swap it” yet. Bring it MFers!

No more build updates until the entirety of page 5 of this build thread is filled with motor swap recommendations/pics/memes/tiktoks/whatever.

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Hell, I’ll even kick it off.

 
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