Rant... Highpoint Dog Attack

retroedaddy said:
SO reading this I got intersted in finding out what breeds attack the most. I searched it and came to this . To me looks like Pits and Rotts. I would disagree having owned several really great Rottweilers. I honestly find the guys on here to be some of the best debater's I have ever met, does anyone have reasoning that these two breeds tend to be so high on the list other than to argue , "Well I had a Rotty , she was Great ?" These aren't my opinions about race, I like Pit and Rotty's ,hell I like them all, I miss my little buddy daily who died in November, I am just trying to forward the debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
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The dog discussion has happened a few times on this website over the years. It is a waste of time. It always goes the same way with the dog owners believing the owners are to blame, and those who have been hurt or have loved ones who have been hurt blame the dogs.
 
I feel so bad for that little girl, being a father it's unthinkable that a family pet that you love as much as everyone else in the family could act in such a way. However as others have stated there are countless circumstances that play into an attack like this. Personally as far as pitbulls, I think the breed has a bad reputation and I blame people for that not the dogs. However I would never have a pitbull, much less ANY breed dog unsupervised around a toddler.

Full discretion, I have owned 3 Rottwillers and they are awesome, powerful and smart dogs. The current one I own " Schnitzle" would no doubt lay his life down for any family member. My dogs learn early on any aggression toward family members is met with very harsh discipline. Having a bone, or food in the dish is not an acceptable excuse to growl or show teeth.

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I have a Brittany he just turned two and has a hard time controlling his excitement when he sees a person or a dog or anything he thinks might want to play with him. He is also very vocal barks growls makes all kinds of weird noises. People alway take that as his being aggressive and I can see why. Funny thing is you stick your hand down to him he will lick you to death and given the chance will climb up onto your shoulder.
 
i will try to find the article that says that smaller dogs actually attack more than large breeds. the fact that larger breeds cause more damage is the reason they are reported more.
with that being said, a dog attack is the owners fault.(99% of the time) if you don't want your dog to attack someone, don't put it in the situation where you have to worry about it. my rotti is welcome around my grandchildren when i am present. the grandbabies also know that the area i feed the dogs in is off limits. when people come into the shop and herzog is standing there barking, they often ask if they can pet him or if he bites, to which my standard response is, HE HAS TEETH. do i think he would bite you, no, but he is a free thinking animal and how do i know that he doesn't like you.

my rotti trying to maul our grandaughter

 
I agree that considerations should be made when owning/selecting a breed. One's chances of serious injury from a Chihuahua with anxiety issues is much different than a single case of lashing out from a pit bull (see above)
 
The real issue is this....

People have perverted the American pitbull bloodline for years. They are now breeding for looks and color instead of temperment. All this does is produce a unstable dog that passes his genes on to the next litter all due to the "popular color". If you do research into the breed you will see that any form of human aggression was removed from the gene pool. Human aggression was flat out not tolerated.
I'm the owner of an ADBA game bred pitbull. He has never shown an ounce of aggression towards a human (besides the normal barking when someone rings). I also own a golden retriever. With that being said, I would never leave either of the two dogs unattended around any child. Simply because dogs have teeth and anything can happy. It could be a playful nibble that could seriously damage a child.

Apbt's are a different breed. They aren't for everyone. They require someone with knowledge of controlling a powerful animal.

If you want to bring out statistics then search for the dogs that bite more people a year. #1 and #3 are the golden retriever and Lab

Bottom line is humans make stupid decisions and the dog has to pay the price for it.
 
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To think of it. You never really hear about a well bred American pitbull terrier attacking anyone. It's always a pitbull mix or an American bully. Which brings me to my next point. I'm willing to bet that 9/10 people couldn't tell the difference between a American pitbull terrier and a American bully.

This all fuels the media, looking for their next big headline.
 
It's not the breed... any dog can go rogue. I have two 80+ lb dogs. One is a pit/wiemeriner the other a pit/boxer. When our son was born we said that he would never be left alone with them for any reason. I don't think that they would do anything as they are just a couple of big babies, but I also don't ever want to run that risk either.
 
Jeff B said:
So are you saying that because that certain Pit bull will crawl up in one's lap & be all cuddly & shit that all pit bulls are all cuddly? Maybe you're saying that all Lab/Shepherd mixes are more aggressive than a pit or their pit?

Just like people, no 2 are alike. If you take a child & raise them, teach them right from wrong & have structure in their entire life. Does not mean as an adult that person will not snap.

Nor does the opposite.

One cannot predict the actions of another living being that can think for itself.

I do not hate pit bulls, nor do I hate any animal. They act from instinct, we as humans do not fully understand that any more. So we must learn to respect it & be aware of it.
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Im definately not saying that ALL pits are sweet dogs. I am still cautious around any dog that I dont know. People like to stereotype pits as ALL of them are aggressive dogs. It all depends on how they are raised. My inlaw's pit came to their house as a stray. They brought it in and loved it. The dog sleeps inside every night and wants nothing but to be played with.
 
retroedaddy said:
SO reading this I got intersted in finding out what breeds attack the most. I searched it and came to this . To me looks like Pits and Rotts.
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As a rottweiler and past pitt owner and working in the vet field for many years and being bitten by many breeds of dogs, I have to step in on that. That's actually completely false; Rottweilers and pits do not attack the most. A recent study of dog breed agression found that the most likely dog to bite is a Dachsund with 1 in 5 attacking strangers and 1 in 12 attacking their owners. Number 2 and 3 on the list? The Chihuahua and the Jack Russel. Both Pitt Bulls and Rottweilers scored average to below average aggression. The problem is not that pit bulls and rotties are aggressive, it is that they are such powerful dogs when they do bite it causes a lot of damage... a pitt can bite with 238 pounds of pressure and a rottweiler 328. That's why you see them in the news so often. When they do bite it causes serious damage. Couple this with the fact that a lot of the owners and breeders of these breeds are scared wannabe thugs that actually want their dog to be mean to protect them and you have a problem. A properly bred and socialized rottie or pitt is no more aggressive than any other breed. That said, you never ever leave a dog alone unsupervised with a small child.

http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/0...led-pit-bulls-rottweilers-youll-be-surprised/
 
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Bogleparsons said:
I feel so bad for that little girl, being a father it's unthinkable that a family pet that you love as much as everyone else in the family could act in such a way. However as others have stated there are countless circumstances that play into an attack like this. Personally as far as pitbulls, I think the breed has a bad reputation and I blame people for that not the dogs. However I would never have a pitbull, much less ANY breed dog unsupervised around a toddler.

Full discretion, I have owned 3 Rottwillers and they are awesome, powerful and smart dogs. The current one I own " Schnitzle" would no doubt lay his life down for any family member. My dogs learn early on any aggression toward family members is met with very harsh discipline. Having a bone, or food in the dish is not an acceptable excuse to growl or show teeth.

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That is a beautiful dog! I don't live in a place where I could raise a rottweiler and I work too much to have the time to dedicate to training and giving him the attention they need so badly when they are young. Later in life when I can dedicate the time and provide a proper home with room for a Rott to grow, I will own at least one if not 2.


drkelly said:
The dog discussion has happened a few times on this website over the years. It is a waste of time. It always goes the same way with the dog owners believing the owners are to blame, and those who have been hurt or have loved ones who have been hurt blame the dogs.
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I don't currently own a dog. I do not have the means right now required to own the type of dog I want.
That being said, I have been hurt... I spent 13 days in the hospital and had several surgeries, over 8 months in rehabilitation, and I still love the breed of dog that I was attacked by. The people who blame the dog are morons. Its the same as the kids who grow up to be strippers or drug addicts. The parents are to blame.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Some breeds are more prone to attack, and worse than that, some breeds are just physically more prone to damage than others. I've been bitten by two dogs in my life. The first was when I was delivering papers, a dog that I had ridden past hundreds of times just came running up to me and bit my leg when I stopped one day. The owner freaked out and apologized up and down, called my parents and finished my paper route. It was a superficial wound because the dog let go after biting me. Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepards and other "attack" dogs are bred to bite down and clamp down and tear. Most other breeds bite and back off. You hear a lot of stories about other dogs "biting", it's pretty rare to hear of someone being mauled to death by a Labradoodle.

EDIT: I probably should have read the comment that came in as I was typing this one (just above mine) since it pretty much says the same thing as mine.
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I don't believe this. I have been bitten by 2 dogs in my life. one was a jack russel terrier and the other was a Chihuahua. I have been around probably 50-75 pits in the last 8 years (my brother in law breeds them)...none have ever been aggressive or bitten anyone....the trick is domesticating them...not tying them up outback and throwing them a bone and some food/water every other day....

to me, Pits are the most loyal , loving dogs ever.

I also believe that not all dog attack stories get publicity like the ones that involve pits/rotts/mix breeds.
 
Cherokeekid88 said:
I also believe that not all dog attack stories get publicity like the ones that involve pits/rotts/mix breeds.
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Well duh. Getting bit by your little dog isn't going to get any attention because you put a bandage on it, smack the dog, and move on about your day.
 
XJfreakHO said:
Well duh. Getting bit by your little dog isn't going to get any attention because you put a bandage on it, smack the dog, and move on about your day.
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actually, I ended up at the doctors office and needed stitches for the jack russell bite. And I will tell you, The dog bit my leg not once but twice and didn't let go the second time. I think ANY dog is capable of anything, just as humans are. But I do not think all jack Russells and chihuahuas are like that, nor would I ever talk bad about anyone owning one.
 
You are all dog racist!
 
XJfreakHO said:
That is a beautiful dog! I don't live in a place where I could raise a rottweiler and I work too much to have the time to dedicate to training and giving him the attention they need so badly when they are young. Later in life when I can dedicate the time and provide a proper home with room for a Rott to grow, I will own at least one if not 2.




I don't currently own a dog. I do not have the means right now required to own the type of dog I want.
That being said, I have been hurt... I spent 13 days in the hospital and had several surgeries, over 8 months in rehabilitation, and I still love the breed of dog that I was attacked by. The people who blame the dog are morons. Its the same as the kids who grow up to be strippers or drug addicts. The parents are to blame.
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I hope you do get to enjoy a Rott for yourself one day, just remember to get one from a registered breeder with good blood line. Not some meth head breeding out from under his back porch.

I'd also like to add my dog has saved my wife and kids from potential attack 2 times in the last year. There were loose dogs that were acting aggressively when my family was walking our dogs, he put those dogs in their place.

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cj777 said:
As a rottweiler and past pitt owner and working in the vet field for many years and being bitten by many breeds of dogs, I have to step in on that. That's actually completely false; Rottweilers and pits do not attack the most. A recent study of dog breed agression found that the most likely dog to bite is a Dachsund with 1 in 5 attacking strangers and 1 in 12 attacking their owners. Number 2 and 3 on the list? The Chihuahua and the Jack Russel. Both Pitt Bulls and Rottweilers scored average to below average aggression. The problem is not that pit bulls and rotties are aggressive, it is that they are such powerful dogs when they do bite it causes a lot of damage... a pitt can bite with 238 pounds of pressure and a rottweiler 328. That's why you see them in the news so often. When they do bite it causes serious damage. Couple this with the fact that a lot of the owners and breeders of these breeds are scared wannabe thugs that actually want their dog to be mean to protect them and you have a problem. A properly bred and socialized rottie or pitt is no more aggressive than any other breed. That said, you never ever leave a dog alone unsupervised with a small child.

http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/0...led-pit-bulls-rottweilers-youll-be-surprised/
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Thanks for leaving out the part where I said "I would disagree having owned several really great Rottweilers" Although it was Actually two, one was a girlfriends. I wasn't wading into the debate for sake of calling out any particular type of dog,I really didn't even give my opinion , I just said what seems to be reported more. IMO it's all about the owner and the way a dog is raised honestly. I've got good buddy's who have Rottie's and My sister has two Pits, I've never seen them do anything that would make me hesitate to own either breed of dog.
 
Bogleparsons said:
I hope you do get to enjoy a Rott for yourself one day, just remember to get one from a registered breeder with good blood line. Not some meth head breeding out from under his back porch.

I'd also like to add my dog has saved my wife and kids from potential attack 2 times in the last year. There were loose dogs that were acting aggressively when my family was walking our dogs, he put those dogs in their place.

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I know the deal, and I know what I would need to provide and take care of a rottweiler properly. As I said I don't have the means right now (I am 24, I live in a very rural area, but I am also right on the highway and wouldn't want to let him run around very freely. In a few years when I am better off and working less (Hopefully) I will begin my search.
 
retroedaddy said:
SO reading this I got intersted in finding out what breeds attack the most. I searched it and came to this . To me looks like Pits and Rotts. I would disagree having owned several really great Rottweilers. I honestly find the guys on here to be some of the best debater's I have ever met, does anyone have reasoning that these two breeds tend to be so high on the list other than to argue , "Well I had a Rotty , she was Great ?" These aren't my opinions about race, I like Pit and Rotty's ,hell I like them all, I miss my little buddy daily who died in November, I am just trying to forward the debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
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Farm Breeding.

It causes mental instability. being bred for agressiveness and being inbred is a poor mix for a dog. I have said this on facebook already but i will repeat it here.

Owning a pitbull is like keeping dynamite in the trunk of your car. Safely handled it is fine. But over time its stability degrades. Eventually a slight vibration will set it off.

Pitbulls might be cute and cuddly and loving for some years but suffer from mental degeneration, dimentia, and being on the fight end of the "flight or fight" scale these dogs react to the confustion with aggressiveness.
 
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