Rant... Highpoint Dog Attack

I skipped the last page and a half cause this thread reads just like every othe pit bull thread I've ever read.
All I have to say to the Pit lovers is just wait till your family Pit crushes your 3 yr. old's skull or gnaws grandmaws arm off and see how you feel then.
I compare being around a pit to being in a closed room w/ a person that has TB. You may catch TB and die and you may not. I just don't want to be near that room.
 
Reid said:
Farm Breeding.

It causes mental instability. being bred for agressiveness and being inbred is a poor mix for a dog. I have said this on facebook already but i will repeat it here.

Owning a pitbull is like keeping dynamite in the trunk of your car. Safely handled it is fine. But over time its stability degrades. Eventually a slight vibration will set it off.

Pitbulls might be cute and cuddly and loving for some years but suffer from mental degeneration, dimentia, and being on the fight end of the "flight or fight" scale these dogs react to the confustion with aggressiveness.
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I'm pretty sure all breeds can suffer from dementia if they live long enough, some may be more prone to it.
 
Reid said:
Farm Breeding.

It causes mental instability. being bred for agressiveness and being inbred is a poor mix for a dog. I have said this on facebook already but i will repeat it here.

Owning a pitbull is like keeping dynamite in the trunk of your car. Safely handled it is fine. But over time its stability degrades. Eventually a slight vibration will set it off.

Pitbulls might be cute and cuddly and loving for some years but suffer from mental degeneration, dimentia, and being on the fight end of the "flight or fight" scale these dogs react to the confustion with aggressiveness.
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This has got to be the dumbest statement ever. Sounds like your speaking right from the crack of your ass. A VAST majority of pitbulls do not bite. I think the exact number is 99.7% live their entire life without ever harming a human being. Your logic is so far off base that is comical.

Every single established breed of dogs is a direct result of line breeding and inbreeding. The reason pitbulls get the bad stigma is due to the willingness of HUMANS to abuse and mishandle these dogs.

It's just like owning a gun. An Ar15 is capable of causing massive deaths. But how man responsible gun owners actually commit these murders.


I'm actually dumber for reading your asinine comment
 
lockedup5 said:
I skipped the last page and a half cause this thread reads just like every othe pit bull thread I've ever read.
All I have to say to the Pit lovers is just wait till your family Pit crushes your 3 yr. old's skull or gnaws grandmaws arm off and see how you feel then.
I compare being around a pit to being in a closed room w/ a person that has TB. You may catch TB and die and you may not. I just don't want to be near that room.
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You fall in the exact same category as the person above.

It's simple. Pick up a book, learn about a particular subject before you spew complete horseshit out your mouth.

I'm guessing your a fox 8 sheep as well
 
It's just like owning a gun. An Ar15 is capable of causing massive deaths. But how man responsible gun owners actually commit these murders.


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Talk about one of the dumbest statements ever. You are one ignorant person if you slightly believe this is true. I've never seen an AR15 break it's leash and shoot a little baby by itself.

So if your pit killed your baby what would you do? I know what I'd do if your pit killed my kid.
 
i think the black lab is a good dog. The Meth lab is a little kooky...

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http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php
Echs332000 said:
This has got to be the dumbest statement ever. Sounds like your speaking right from the crack of your ass. A VAST majority of pitbulls do not bite. I think the exact number is 99.7% live their entire life without ever harming a human being. Your logic is so far off base that is comical.

Every single established breed of dogs is a direct result of line breeding and inbreeding. The reason pitbulls get the bad stigma is due to the willingness of HUMANS to abuse and mishandle these dogs.

It's just like owning a gun. An Ar15 is capable of causing massive deaths. But how man responsible gun owners actually commit these murders.


I'm actually dumber for reading your asinine comment
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let me educate you then.

even if 97% live attack free (show me that statistic) that leaves 120,000. 72% of those end in death, 86,400 deaths from Pitbulls. Deaths from a rifle, not just the AR number under 400 a year.


www.dogsbite.org/pdf/31-year-summary-chart-pit-bull-attack-trends.pdf

look at the data in the last ten years. there is a massive upswing of attacks from the breed. thats the evidence of poor breeding and dementia as a result.
  • 81% of attacks that induce bodily harm
  • 76% of attacks to children
  • 87% of attack to adults
  • 72% of attacks that result in fatalities
  • 81% that result in maiming
  • Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population




www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

72% of pit attacks end in death. that is a staggering rate. MUCH higher than any other breed.
 
Wow. Your making my point easier for me. Lol. Dogbites.org is where your getting this info from ?? Hahahaha. Not only is that website obsessed with the banning of the breed, most of the people who write for that have never been in the same room as a pitbull.

That's like going to Texas and trying to get a unbiased opinion of Obama
 
lockedup5 said:
It's just like owning a gun. An Ar15 is capable of causing massive deaths. But how man responsible gun owners actually commit these murders.
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Talk about one of the dumbest statements ever. You are one ignorant person if you slightly believe this is true. I've never seen an AR15 break it's leash and shoot a little baby by itself.

So if your pit killed your baby what would you do? I know what I'd do if your pit killed my kid.[/quote]

First, I would never next set any of my dogs up for failure. Like I have said before. ANY larger dog can inflict serious harm to a child. I wouldn't leave my child unattended around any breed of dog.
 
Reid said:
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php


let me educate you then.

even if 97% live attack free (show me that statistic) that leaves 120,000. 72% of those end in death, 86,400 deaths from Pitbulls. Deaths from a rifle, not just the AR number under 400 a year.


www.dogsbite.org/pdf/31-year-summary-chart-pit-bull-attack-trends.pdf

look at the data in the last ten years. there is a massive upswing of attacks from the breed. thats the evidence of poor breeding and dementia as a result.
  • 81% of attacks that induce bodily harm
  • 76% of attacks to children
  • 87% of attack to adults
  • 72% of attacks that result in fatalities
  • 81% that result in maiming
  • Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population




www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

72% of pit attacks end in death. that is a staggering rate. MUCH higher than any other breed.
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I some what agree with you on the poor breeding part. That's actually the main reason


But your logic of every pitbull "is a ticking bomb" is just crazy
 
The Pit Bull breed makes up 5-9.6% of the United States dog population. In 2007, there were above 72 million dogs in the United States provided by American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. That’s between 3,600,000 and 6,912,000 Pit Bull breed dogs in the United States.
So, for our example we’ll take the average percent between 5 and 9.6, and use 7.3 percent, which would give an average estimation of the Pit Bull population in the United States. That leaves us with 5,256,000 Pit Bulls.
Other dog populations (United States):
(estimation) Pit Bulls: 5,256,000
(estimation) Rottweilers: 900,000
(estimation) German Shepherds: 780,000
(estimation) Chows: 240,000
Fatal attacks by these breeds of dogs (1979-1998):
Pit Bulls: 66
Rottweilers: 39
German Shepherds: 17
Chows: 8
When we divide the population by the fatal attacks, we can get a percentage based on the dogs probability of fatally attacking a human.
Pit Bulls: .00125 %
Rottweilers: .00433 %
German Shepherds: .00217%
Chow: .00333%
WELL, it would seem the Pit Bull is at the bottom of the list. 4 times as many Rottweilers, 2 times as many German Shepherds, and 3 times as many Chows are involved in Fatal Attacks based on the population percentage. It is only logical that if there are more Pit Bulls there would be more attacks. Lets take a little less blame on the breed and put a little more blame on the people. Through all they’ve been through, the Pit Bull still triumphs.
 
Canine Genetics and Behavior
By Glen Bui, American Canine Foundation
“To state that a breed of dog is aggressive is scientifically impossible. Statistics do not support such a finding. Dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years and within all breeds there can be dangerous dogs because of owner issues such as training the dog to attack, lack of training and socialization.
There is no such thing as the “Mean Gene” in dogs as well as in people. However, mutant genes have been discovered. Alteration of a single DNA base in the gene encoding an enzyme called monoamine oxidase A (MAOA) has been found to render the enzyme nonfunctional. This enzyme normally catalyzes reactions that metabolize the neurotransmitters dopamine, serotonin, and oradrenaline. What this does is cause slight mental impairment which interferes with the ability to cope with certain situations resulting in aggression. There is no proof and there never has been that the American Pit Bull Terrier possesses mutant genes. There is a one in ten thousand chance of a mutant gene appearing in a population.
Aggressiveness has many definitions and its stimulus of the environment that causes behavior. Dogs defend territory, they exhibit dominance and if allowed can become protective of their family. All this behavior can be controlled by the owner and aggression is mainly an act of behavior. To make claim that the American Pit Bull Terrier can cause more severe injury than other breeds is ludicrous. Over 30 breeds of dogs are responsible for over 500 fatal attacks in the last 30 years, every victim was severely injured. The American Pit Bull Terrier is clearly a useful member of society. The breed was World War One Hero and it’s rated as having one of the best overall temperaments in the United States (A.T.T.S.). The breed is used for dog show competitions, therapy, service work, search and rescue, police work and companionship. Man has domesticated dogs to the point they serve as companions, workers and even objects of beauty. Dogs will protect man, see for him, hunt for him and play. One breed is not more inherently good or evil, vicious, harmful or helpful. It is man who is responsible for the dog’s behavior, not the breed of dog. Those passing breed bans fail to understand that a mis-trained Pit Bull can be replaced with another breed. People determine whether dogs will be useful members of a community or a nuisance. It is the people who allow their dogs to become dangerous and legislators must control and punish the people.”
 
It took three pages, but this thread has now reached the same status as the previous ones on this subject.
 
20140101_144607.jpg Everyone has their opinions on all kinds of dogs (and everything else). All I ask of anyone on the subject of Pit Bulls is please base your opinion on ones you've met, not ones you've read about.
 
Echs332000 said:
The Pit Bull breed makes up 5-9.6% of the United States dog population. In 2007, there were above 72 million dogs in the United States provided by American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. That’s between 3,600,000 and 6,912,000 Pit Bull breed dogs in the United States.
So, for our example we’ll take the average percent between 5 and 9.6, and use 7.3 percent, which would give an average estimation of the Pit Bull population in the United States. That leaves us with 5,256,000 Pit Bulls.
Other dog populations (United States):
(estimation) Pit Bulls: 5,256,000
(estimation) Rottweilers: 900,000
(estimation) German Shepherds: 780,000
(estimation) Chows: 240,000
Fatal attacks by these breeds of dogs (1979-1998):
Pit Bulls: 66
Rottweilers: 39
German Shepherds: 17
Chows: 8
When we divide the population by the fatal attacks, we can get a percentage based on the dogs probability of fatally attacking a human.
Pit Bulls: .00125 %
Rottweilers: .00433 %
German Shepherds: .00217%
Chow: .00333%
WELL, it would seem the Pit Bull is at the bottom of the list. 4 times as many Rottweilers, 2 times as many German Shepherds, and 3 times as many Chows are involved in Fatal Attacks based on the population percentage. It is only logical that if there are more Pit Bulls there would be more attacks. Lets take a little less blame on the breed and put a little more blame on the people. Through all they’ve been through, the Pit Bull still triumphs.
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WOAH... back the truck up a bit....

So this research is saying that there are an estimated 5,256,000 pitbulls in the US, but ALL OTHER DOG BREEDS LISTED only add up to 1,920,000. There are 3 times as many pit bulls in the US than all of the Rottweilers, Chows and German Shepards combined? I REALLY find that hard to believe. I'm betting someone added a zero somewhere in the math.

Again, as stated, all dogs have the capacity to bite. All dogs with teeth have the capacity to inflict harm to a person. Some breeds (and the pit bull is one) have a naturally stronger jaw and are designed to clamp down and tear instead of bite and release. This is what turns a bite into a maul and typically a maul into a death. Whether it was a pit bull or a Rottweiler or a chow, the result is the same in this case - a child died at the hands of a dog that was owned by the family. It's tragic. I think we can all agree on that. This may have been the only time in the dog's life that it ever expressed any aggression. It will almost definitely be it's last action as well. This is also no different if it were a pit bull, a Boston Terrier or a toy schnoodle. This adds to the tragedy as well.

No matter what, there are two parents somewhere in High Point that were wishing that things didn't go this way. They have lost their daughter, their pet and are being slammed as vicious and cruel for having a "ticking time bomb" around their child by people that don't know them and couldn't pick them out of a crowd of 3. It's easy to sit back and Monday morning quarterback this to death. I hope nobody ever has to go through this. No matter what side of the argument you are on, I think we can all agree on that.
 
ManglerYJ said:
WOAH... back the truck up a bit....

So this research is saying that there are an estimated 5,256,000 pitbulls in the US, but ALL OTHER DOG BREEDS LISTED only add up to 1,920,000. There are 3 times as many pit bulls in the US than all of the Rottweilers, Chows and German Shepards combined? I REALLY find that hard to believe. I'm betting someone added a zero somewhere in the math.

Again, as stated, all dogs have the capacity to bite. All dogs with teeth have the capacity to inflict harm to a person. Some breeds (and the pit bull is one) have a naturally stronger jaw and are designed to clamp down and tear instead of bite and release. This is what turns a bite into a maul and typically a maul into a death. Whether it was a pit bull or a Rottweiler or a chow, the result is the same in this case - a child died at the hands of a dog that was owned by the family. It's tragic. I think we can all agree on that. This may have been the only time in the dog's life that it ever expressed any aggression. It will almost definitely be it's last action as well. This is also no different if it were a pit bull, a Boston Terrier or a toy schnoodle. This adds to the tragedy as well.

No matter what, there are two parents somewhere in High Point that were wishing that things didn't go this way. They have lost their daughter, their pet and are being slammed as vicious and cruel for having a "ticking time bomb" around their child by people that don't know them and couldn't pick them out of a crowd of 3. It's easy to sit back and Monday morning quarterback this to death. I hope nobody ever has to go through this. No matter what side of the argument you are on, I think we can all agree on that.
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I agree. With you on the fact that it's a horrible thing for a parent to have to go through. If that was my kid then my dog wouldn't have made it to animal control's facility.

I'm just trying to make people understand that my breed is not the horrible breed that the media makes it out to be.

Any dog is dangerous in the hands of stupid and neglectful owners. If humans started taking more responsibility for these attacks then the numbers would dramatically decrease across the board
 
rugger4 said:
Cool, so a pit ran up to some kids on a golf cart and your dogs killed it as it died trying to fight them off. Awesome. I'm like you; I try to stay out these debates and I'm no keyboard warrior that likes arguing over the internet so I will just leave it at that.
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I decided to delete my post just to stay out of the debate but one on the kids had to get around 10 stiches from the pit bull bite and some more from being drug off the golf cart onto the pavement. I guess the they should have just let the kid get killed. I also will clarify that the dog was probably mistreated just looking at the yard
 
Your deleted post said nothing of injuries, my apologies. Like you, I withdraw from further comment as it really is pointless.
 
Echs332000 said:
This has got to be the dumbest statement ever. Sounds like your speaking right from the crack of your ass. A VAST majority of pitbulls do not bite. I think the exact number is 99.7% live their entire life without ever harming a human being. Your logic is so far off base that is comical.

Every single established breed of dogs is a direct result of line breeding and inbreeding. The reason pitbulls get the bad stigma is due to the willingness of HUMANS to abuse and mishandle these dogs.

It's just like owning a gun. An Ar15 is capable of causing massive deaths. But how man responsible gun owners actually commit these murders.


I'm actually dumber for reading your asinine comment
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You Sir, are an idiot.
To compare a weapon discharge to a dog bite shows this.
How about a challenge to you only. One bite= one shot, bet i win.
And i love dogs and kids.
Let me know when you want to "try" to bite my leg.
Sorry Mods,
Paul...
 
redneckcj5guy said:
You Sir, are an idiot.
To compare a weapon discharge to a dog bite shows this.
How about a challenge to you only. One bite= one shot, bet i win.
And i love dogs and kids.
Let me know when you want to "try" to bite my leg.
Sorry Mods,
Paul...
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Clearly you don't have the mental capacity to connect the dots. Let me break it down a tad bit more for your challenged brain


The battle with gun laws is due to the acts of irresponsible people. These are the people who use guns in a crime.

Responsible gun owners account for a very small percentage of gun related situations.

Are you connecting the dots now?

Let me break down even further for you since your CLEARLY missing a chromosome somewhere in your body

Irresponsible pet owners are the reason you have so many dog bite situations. A majority of responsible dog owners never put their dogs in situations to fail

Do you understand now? Or do I need to color pictures in a book for you to comprehend
 
Echs332000 said:
Clearly you don't have the mental capacity to connect the dots. Let me break it down a tad bit more for your challenged brain


The battle with gun laws is due to the acts of irresponsible people. These are the people who use guns in a crime.

Responsible gun owners account for a very small percentage of gun related situations.

Are you connecting the dots now?

Let me break down even further for you since your CLEARLY missing a chromosome somewhere in your body

Irresponsible pet owners are the reason you have so many dog bite situations. A majority of responsible dog owners never put their dogs in situations to fail

Do you understand now? Or do I need to color pictures in a book for you to comprehend
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Does the coloring book come with blue crayons?
Or have you eaten all of them?
 
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