Shop building....

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I have been looking around and trying to price putting up a shop on the girlfriends property. She has a pole barn on it but it's in rough shape. A friend used Capitol Building's from up in NC. capitolbuildings Anyone use them or have suggestions or advise on this? I was thinking around a 30 x 40 x 12. I basically want enough room for my 3 projects and a lift.
 
ghost said:
I have been looking around and trying to price putting up a shop on the girlfriends property.
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Stop there, this is a bad idea.

Also, it needs to be bigger.

Also also, that's what she said.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Stop there, this is a bad idea.

Also, it needs to be bigger.

Also also, that's what she said.
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Opps wrong term. Fiance.... I put a ring on it..... The space we discussed is putting it is 55 x 65. There will be a garage for the house later so I feel like 30 x 40 is plenty of room for both jeeps and my 51 F1.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Stop there, this is a bad idea.
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I second this. "If" anything happens, prior to your name being added to the deed, legally shop AND lift become hers. Building built on the property, becomes part of the property. Anything affixed to said building, now part of her property, such as built in benches, cabinets/shelves permanently mounted (screwed, bolted, nailed), or equipment bolted (permantly mounted) to the floor also become part of the property.

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fordwheelinman said:
I second this. "If" anything happens, prior to your name being added to the deed, legally shop AND lift become hers. Building built on the property, becomes part of the property. Anything affixed to said building, now part of her property, such as built in benches, cabinets/shelves permanently mounted (screwed, bolted, nailed), or equipment bolted (permantly mounted) to the floor also become part of the property.

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I am aware I have already looked into this. This is not my concern. All that will be done before the building is started. I'm researching this and looking at options. Was hoping to get some real life experience on these buildings. What all is involved in putting them up and what hidden cost are there. I'm seeing prices from $12K - $15K for the 30 x 40 x 12. Some say on your site/concrete.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Stop there, this is a bad idea.

Also, it needs to be bigger.

Also also, that's what she said.
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Yeah, even with a long term lease building a shop on someone else's property not a good idea unless they pay for it.
That being said the attached garage will be filled with her junk and car as is everyone's attached garage--If you have the room go bigger than 30x40. 3 cars will leave you with no space to do anything else. You might look into r&r ironworks if a welded truss pole building would work. They were at about ~11k for an open sided 40x60 a year ago.
 
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I've heard good things about Carolina Post Frame but nothing first hand experience.

I too am lookng at building something 30x60 (ish) PLUS an apartment on one end to live in while my house is being built, so I'd like to hear from others as well
 
ghost said:
Opps wrong term. Fiance.... I put a ring on it..... The space we discussed is putting it is 55 x 65. There will be a garage for the house later so I feel like 30 x 40 is plenty of room for both jeeps and my 51 F1.
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Ok, that changes things a little. During the engagement phase, I referred to my wife as my "ex-girlfriend". I thought it was funny. She did not.
 
CasterTroy said:
I'll ask this before we go all

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I've heard good things about Carolina Post Frame but nothing first hand experience.

I too am lookng at building something 30x60 (ish) PLUS an apartment on one end to live in while my house is being built, so I'd like to hear from others as well
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IDK why I did not see this group doing that.......

jeepinmatt said:
Ok, that changes things a little. During the engagement phase, I referred to my wife as my "ex-girlfriend". I thought it was funny. She did not.
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I introduced her at her first family reunion as my current girlfriend. She was not amused. She's been around almost 4 years now so there is that......
 
Mine is 34x40, plus a 34x20 shed off one end, plus a 34x10 loft inside. With 1 vehicle and a forklift, it is always crowded. I also have a lot of equipment and junk floating around. If you don't plan to fill it with other tools and toys, 2 vehicles will be fine and 3 will be tight but workable. Assuming your doors are on the long side, 30ft depth doesn't leave you with much room for tools/workbench at the back. If the doors are on the short side, the 30ft width is fine for 2 vehicles, but very tight for 3.

I did almost all of the labor on mine, except concrete and roof (which I should have done myself dammit). Whole thing came in at about $20k. 1/3 of that was concrete. I did everything about as cheaply as I could. Pole building style. Steel trusses off craigslist for the roof. Steel panels for the wall and roof. In hindsight, I think would roof trusses and standard 2x4 studwalls would have been easier to tie together, finish, and seal off.
 
ghost said:
IDK why I did not see this group doing that.......



I introduced her at her first family reunion as my current girlfriend. She was not amused. She's been around almost 4 years now so there is that......
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Yea, they dont find it too funny. We started buying our house before we were married. Knew it wouldnt stay on the market long, so we jumped. I too have heard good about carolina post frame. Could also look into carolina carports. I know they do some metal buildings, not sure how big they go though
 
jeepinmatt said:
Mine is 34x40, plus a 34x20 shed off one end, plus a 34x10 loft inside. With 1 vehicle and a forklift, it is always crowded. I also have a lot of equipment and junk floating around. If you don't plan to fill it with other tools and toys, 2 vehicles will be fine and 3 will be tight but workable. Assuming your doors are on the long side, 30ft depth doesn't leave you with much room for tools/workbench at the back. If the doors are on the short side, the 30ft width is fine for 2 vehicles, but very tight for 3.

I did almost all of the labor on mine, except concrete and roof (which I should have done myself dammit). Whole thing came in at about $20k. 1/3 of that was concrete. I did everything about as cheaply as I could. Pole building style. Steel trusses off craigslist for the roof. Steel panels for the wall and roof. In hindsight, I think would roof trusses and standard 2x4 studwalls would have been easier to tie together, finish, and seal off.
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This makes me think I need to come crash some of you guys that have them and see what the space cluttered up is like. I am going to Lenoir this weekend to pick up a camping trailer for NAXJA..... hmmm! I also need to measure my current shop here in hartsville and see what I'm working with. I know the outside dimensions are 50 x 52 but it has office space and bathrooms in it. It is way over crowded atm. My jeep is in it, my next jeep is in it, my 51 I want to restore is in it and my son's MJ is in it. Now that he is working full time and living at home I hope we can start back on his and get it out of there.
 
ghost said:
I am aware I have already looked into this. This is not my concern. All that will be done before the building is started. I'm researching this and looking at options. Was hoping to get some real life experience on these buildings. What all is involved in putting them up and what hidden cost are there. I'm seeing prices from $12K - $15K for the 30 x 40 x 12. Some say on your site/concrete.
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My apologies if any offense was taken, but a lot of people never think about that side of it, so devil's advocate I guess.

Anywho, have you priced electrical work yet? Depending on distance from current meter/service box, a separate service line may need to be run so the available amperage is there for running the lights, lift, compressor, and possibly garage fridge, heater in the winter, ect. No one expects to have everything on at once, but plan for as much as possible, so you don't get a welder, strike an arc, and watch the lights go out.

Also, from experience, might want to consider a washtub sink (the big plastic ones), and associated water and drain lines, to de-grease yourself before staining the woman's nice sinks, or getting spots on the clean dishes. That's the one regret of remodeling my house, I didn't add a big sink outside to clean up in before coming inside.

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fordwheelinman said:
My apologies if any offense was taken, but a lot of people never think about that side of it, so devil's advocate I guess.

Anywho, have you priced electrical work yet? Depending on distance from current meter/service box, a separate service line may need to be run so the available amperage is there for running the lights, lift, compressor, and possibly garage fridge, heater in the winter, ect. No one expects to have everything on at once, but plan for as much as possible, so you don't get a welder, strike an arc, and watch the lights go out.

Also, from experience, might want to consider a washtub sink (the big plastic ones), and associated water and drain lines, to de-grease yourself before staining the woman's nice sinks, or getting spots on the clean dishes. That's the one regret of remodeling my house, I didn't add a big sink outside to clean up in before coming inside.

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this will be the first thing I plan to do to my shop at the new house. It has its own meter box, but NO SINK?!?!?!?! I have an open shower in the basement, but itd be nice to have a place to just wash my hands.
 
There's 6 or 8 people I know right around my area that have dealt with Capitol and they were happy with them. That's all I've got.
 
As said 30-40 will be tight with 3 projects. A friend has a shop that size without much clutter and junk, and 2 is most that is comfortable. Throw in a lift, and your either occupying it with a project or have run out of room. To save some $$ on concrete, you could do 30x40 with a shed or 2 down the sides. That way you can park future projects or Jeeps or something there, and keep the inside for things under construction.

I also suggest putting a covered area out front. Whatever side the doors will be on, add 10ft to that side and have the area covered with concrete but not enclosed. That way you have somewhere to change oil, or your buddy to work on his car, when your shop is maxed out. Worse case you can throw some chairs or a couch out there to take a breather/nap on when its nice.
 
Just a crazy suggestion, I know a lot of people aren't going to like it, But I went a totally different route than building a shop on my property... that could also alleviate any concerns about building on shared property.

5 Years ago now, I started renting a shop in an industrial complex 15 minutes from my house. (BTW, it's 1200 Square feet like you are looking at, and it's not big enough for 3 projects once you have all the tools like an engine hoist, jack stands, welder, plasma cutter, hydraulic press and a lift in it.) I have the space on my property to build one, but crazy zoning laws like building can't be higher or larger in square feet than the residence made it impractical. (My house is a Ranch Style home, 980sqft)

I just this year actually bought the unit I've been renting, the purchase price was comparable to what it would have cost me to build a shop.

Having the building in an industrial area separate from the house provides some really big benefits, I have two Autoparts stores and a Lowes within easy walking distance, also two tire shops and state inspection stations, And most importantly, A gas station with good coffee! (Wawa). Oh, a Bojangles and a Sonic too...

If I'm pounding on panels or making lots of noise at 7am on Sunday morning, I don't piss anyone off.

It is now an asset that is easy to divest myself from, If it's on your property, it's impossible to sell it separately, nor can it be separated from the house if you need to move, so you limit the market for the house.

If I stop doing work on my own rigs, I can rent the shop out for extra cash if I don't want to sell it.

When I work on stuff at the house, I can look up and see it's 2 in the morning without even realizing it, I Find it much easier to set a time to clean up and quit for the night when I know I still have to drive home.

If you set up an LLC to buy it, and then rent it to yourself, you can deduct Mortgage Interest, Property Tax, and maybe some other expenses (I haven't done this, so don't know all the ins and outs.)

Some drawbacks are you'll need a commercial insurance policy that covers neighboring units (Mine is $500 a year for $1,000,000 liability) and if you have to mortgage it, I also found it's difficult to buy commercial real estate without a business, but doable, as long as your personal income is high enough to cover the mortgage. Also, You'll have to put at least 15% down on a commercial loan.
 
zuke said:
Just a crazy suggestion

5 Years ago now, I started renting a shop in an industrial complex 15 minutes from my house.
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I honestly looked into this as a viable solution. Trouble is, in MY area (Winston-Salem) the only affordable solutions were in the ghetto. One property I really liked was actually next to train tracks in Thomasville (15 minutes from my house) and had more than adequate space, but would be a security nightmare. I looked into renting/buying a much larger space than I needed and then sub-letting the space to offset the cost, but having a rent-house in the past and getting burned (by friends no less) cured me of that.

But I agree it is a very plausible solution
 
zuke said:
Just a crazy suggestion, I know a lot of people aren't going to like it, But I went a totally different route than building a shop on my property... that could also alleviate any concerns about building on shared property.

5 Years ago now, I started renting a shop in an industrial complex 15 minutes from my house. (BTW, it's 1200 Square feet like you are looking at, and it's not big enough for 3 projects once you have all the tools like an engine hoist, jack stands, welder, plasma cutter, hydraulic press and a lift in it.) I have the space on my property to build one, but crazy zoning laws like building can't be higher or larger in square feet than the residence made it impractical. (My house is a Ranch Style home, 980sqft)

I just this year actually bought the unit I've been renting, the purchase price was comparable to what it would have cost me to build a shop.

Having the building in an industrial area separate from the house provides some really big benefits, I have two Autoparts stores and a Lowes within easy walking distance, also two tire shops and state inspection stations, And most importantly, A gas station with good coffee! (Wawa). Oh, a Bojangles and a Sonic too...

If I'm pounding on panels or making lots of noise at 7am on Sunday morning, I don't piss anyone off.

It is now an asset that is easy to divest myself from, If it's on your property, it's impossible to sell it separately, nor can it be separated from the house if you need to move, so you limit the market for the house.

If I stop doing work on my own rigs, I can rent the shop out for extra cash if I don't want to sell it.

When I work on stuff at the house, I can look up and see it's 2 in the morning without even realizing it, I Find it much easier to set a time to clean up and quit for the night when I know I still have to drive home.

If you set up an LLC to buy it, and then rent it to yourself, you can deduct Mortgage Interest, Property Tax, and maybe some other expenses (I haven't done this, so don't know all the ins and outs.)

Some drawbacks are you'll need a commercial insurance policy that covers neighboring units (Mine is $500 a year for $1,000,000 liability) and if you have to mortgage it, I also found it's difficult to buy commercial real estate without a business, but doable, as long as your personal income is high enough to cover the mortgage. Also, You'll have to put at least 15% down on a commercial loan.
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Im with you, although i dont have the room at my house for a shop. i work in an industrial park, they just put up a new building straight across from my office. its a baseball/softball training facility (there have been 3 in same park all fail within a year). ive already talked to building owner if the training fails id be interested in buying/renting the building.

bonus boss would let me use the loader if i needed it and i look at the entrance of the building out of my office all day and it is also covered by my bosses cameras.
 
zuke said:
Just a crazy suggestion, I know a lot of people aren't going to like it, But I went a totally different route than building a shop on my property... that could also alleviate any concerns about building on shared property.

5 Years ago now, I started renting a shop in an industrial complex 15 minutes from my house. (BTW, it's 1200 Square feet like you are looking at, and it's not big enough for 3 projects once you have all the tools like an engine hoist, jack stands, welder, plasma cutter, hydraulic press and a lift in it.) I have the space on my property to build one, but crazy zoning laws like building can't be higher or larger in square feet than the residence made it impractical. (My house is a Ranch Style home, 980sqft)

I just this year actually bought the unit I've been renting, the purchase price was comparable to what it would have cost me to build a shop.

Having the building in an industrial area separate from the house provides some really big benefits, I have two Autoparts stores and a Lowes within easy walking distance, also two tire shops and state inspection stations, And most importantly, A gas station with good coffee! (Wawa). Oh, a Bojangles and a Sonic too...

If I'm pounding on panels or making lots of noise at 7am on Sunday morning, I don't piss anyone off.

It is now an asset that is easy to divest myself from, If it's on your property, it's impossible to sell it separately, nor can it be separated from the house if you need to move, so you limit the market for the house.

If I stop doing work on my own rigs, I can rent the shop out for extra cash if I don't want to sell it.

When I work on stuff at the house, I can look up and see it's 2 in the morning without even realizing it, I Find it much easier to set a time to clean up and quit for the night when I know I still have to drive home.

If you set up an LLC to buy it, and then rent it to yourself, you can deduct Mortgage Interest, Property Tax, and maybe some other expenses (I haven't done this, so don't know all the ins and outs.)

Some drawbacks are you'll need a commercial insurance policy that covers neighboring units (Mine is $500 a year for $1,000,000 liability) and if you have to mortgage it, I also found it's difficult to buy commercial real estate without a business, but doable, as long as your personal income is high enough to cover the mortgage. Also, You'll have to put at least 15% down on a commercial loan.
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Biggest downside Ive seen from this is the drive time to get there. Having projects that werent at home in the past, I found that when I only had a few hours to do something, the 15 min drive was sometimes a deterrent vs being able to walk out the back door. But a few friends and I have talked about finding a place like this is the past where we could all keep our projects, but location and price havent worked out so far.
 
CasterTroy said:
Trouble is, in MY area (Winston-Salem) the only affordable solutions were in the ghetto.
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I can see where that would be a big problem in the Winston-Salem area, I'm lucky about that in this area, development didn't even start here until the 80's and has really exploded in the nineties, so there are a wealth of reasonably priced small (900 to 2400sqft) Units at reasonable prices, but lots of newer stuff close by to on the main drag one block away (The Lowes, Auto Parts stores, Restuarants are all less than the 5 years I've been here old). Because the complex I'm in is all small units, there is almost always someone working in some of the units, so security isn't a big problem, but it also means not much space outside the unit, I only have three parking spaces outside, and they are only one car deep, so I have to unload things off the trailer and move the tow rig when I tow something in.

paradisePWoffrd said:
Biggest downside Ive seen from this is the drive time to get there.
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I agree the drive can be a deterrent to working on things for a few hours, but at the same time, if I have a long term project at home there are too many distractions there to make decent progress in a few hours too..
 
My shop is 25x60. 10x10 is office and 7x7 is the pisser. I have 1 lift and my Ranger is stored there.
No way in the world is there room for 3 projects if I expect to actually have room to work on them.
You'll need to up the square footage for 3 projects for sure. Take into account equipment, workbench(es), etc. Also consider room to comfortably work and move around as well.
My next one will be 2500-3000 sq ft.
 
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