Wake County Crackdown

Rich said:
I slightly disagree. "Keep right except to pass" is the law. There's no reason to poke along in a lane, ANY lane, if there's a free lane to the right.

Just a closing thought... That guy who's coming up behind you going a little over, may be EMS/Fire/etc. who's not yet in their district, but knows their help is needed...
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I agree "Keep right except to pass" is the law" but so is the speed limit.

If I can't enforce the speed you can't enforce the move over! :)

I'm not talking about poking along, I should have been more clear, bumper to bumper 440 belt line and I'm in the left lane going speed + maybe 5 or so and a line of traffic in front of me there is no way in ### I'm going to move over and let you around because you are flashing the lights. If traffic is light and If there is a lane to the right and I can get over I will if traffic will let me.

"may be EMS/Fire/etc. " That is a good point but:

Its the law they must run lights and so on if they are to go through a light or faster then the speed limit.(I would need to read up on it, things may have changed in the past few years.)
I would hope they are smart enough to hit the lights or something, I'm smart enough to look.
I can tell if it is a meat wagon or fire truck..
And yes we do play a part with the enforcement its called *HP or 911
That is what they ask us to do when we see something.

Jon
 
all are right here.

I should have been more clear also. If I'm in heavy traffic, thats fine, I'm ok with taking it easy and poking along. But, if the traffic is light and there is no reason for you to move over other than to impead me, FAWK!!! I'm flashing my lights and I'll pass on the right if I have to, to get around. Physically impeading my driving with your vehicle (agressive or not) is just not right either, so I guess all are wrong... :flipoff2:

I'm no speed demon nor do I cut people off or weave through traffic, but I'm just as courtious (when I can be) to to the guy going 5mph faster than me or 50mph faster than me, so I expect the same in return. Plain and simple, its not up to you to decide if I go 55mph in a 55 zone or 70 in a 55 zone; I could have a pregnant wife that needs to get to the hospital, real bad, so how is anyone to be able to judge that??? Am I supposed to have a big freakin sign with lights that reads:

Get out of my way, pregnant wife on way to hospital!!!!!!

Geesh, I mean, I've got a perfect driving record, no points, ever, so I'm not a bad/agressive driver, I just like to go the speed limit, or a little over sometimes; just enough not to get pulled over :D


BTW, I'm not talking about serious criminal offenses either, that falls into another category. Minor traffic violations are just that, minor. Something that causes jail time, well, that fits into another category, IMO.
 
a lot of you guys make good points. I didn't notice any traffic on the last trail I rode? hmmmm?



OH! You guys are talking about that pav-e-ment stuff? gotcha :flipoff2: :D
 
its not the citizens duty to enforce the laws. if people are speeding, get the fawk out of the way and let them. they will get theirs someday, its not your battle to fight
 
If I'm not mistaken, I read somewhere that the autobahn has the same death rate as our interstate system. Sounds to me like speed doesn't kill, driving while talking on the phone, applying makeup, reading the paper/a book (yea I've seen that) and generally not paying attention (like most left lane blockers) is what kills. Maybe if it was more difficult (i.e. actually knowing how to control a vehicle in an emergency) to get a license as it is for German citizens, there would be less deaths. Just my .02
 
i'm with rattlecan on this, i commute about 50 miles one way everyday and pass the same "old ass-mofo" reading the paper, wheel in one hand and coffee in the other, swerving accross his lane every GD day. and he's cussing me because i'm trying to get around him... if i could just get the minivans and grand parents out of the way, i might actually make it to work on time for once.

edit:...and most move over when they see the dually coming up, but the thing that is the most aggravating is when people block you in and you haven't done anything wrong, its like they just don't want to be passed? or they don't know that there are "two" lanes there for a reason?? i could see if i had been tailgating them, and then i try and go around on the right and they are just f*cking with me, but no
 
exactly. speed does not kill. stupidity, igorance, and lack of common sense does.
 
RufusTheRam said:
exactly. speed does not kill. stupidity, igorance, and lack of common sense does.
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N.C. Teens Involved In Most Fatal Car Accidents In Nation
Authorities Believe Speed Is Cause For Most Teen Accidents

POSTED: 6:57 am EDT July 1, 2005

RALEIGH, N.C. -- According to the National Safety Council and a physician advocacy group, teen drivers in North Carolina have made the state No. 1 in fatal crashes involving teens.

"The No. 1 cause of the accidents and fatalities is speed," said Lt. Everett Clendenin, of the state Highway Patrol.

Maybe he does not know what he is talking about???? :confused:

NOT He hit the nail on the head!


Jon

Full story http://www.wral.com/news/4674010/detail.html
 
not to be an ASS but maybe if some of things parents did not buy there kids Brand New sports car they would not go so fast.. whatever happen to getting your kids a beater car.....
 
BRUISER said:
not to be an ASS but maybe if some of things parents did not buy there kids Brand New sports car they would not go so fast.. whatever happen to getting your kids a beater car.....
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Yep, remember that group of kids in Mommas Eclipse GT on 540? Splat.


Plus is aint the speed that kills, its that sudden decceleration right before the end of the ride.



I hate the swoopers. You know who your are. Go like hell, pass as many cars in the lane you want as humanly posible then cut off the last one merging in. Cause a 6 car chain wreak and go about you business. Fawk those assholes.
 
Maybe he does not know what he is talking about????
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i would say so. speed is obviously a factor, but it's inexperience or lack of skill driving at higher speeds that's the real problem. i think blame should be placed where it belongs. speed in and of itself is not dangerous with the right person and the right equipment. it's the equivalent of people blaming violence on guns.
not to be an ASS but maybe if some of things parents did not buy there kids Brand New sports car they would not go so fast.. whatever happen to getting your kids a beater car.....
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true, but most kids that drive like that are going to push the limits in whatever they're in. there's hardly a vehicle on the road that won't do at least 90-100mph. i do think all kids should have a beater at first though... it teaches you the value of having a nice car, builds character, and they're just plain fun as hell too :flipoff2:
 
Ratman said:
I hate the swoopers. You know who your are. Go like hell, pass as many cars in the lane you want as humanly posible then cut off the last one merging in. Cause a 6 car chain wreak and go about you business. Fawk those assholes.
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Yep They SUCK!!!!!!!!
Jon
 
RufusTheRam said:
i would say so. speed is obviously a factor, but it's inexperience or lack of skill driving at higher speeds that's the real problem. i think blame should be placed where it belongs. speed in and of itself is not dangerous with the right person and the right equipment.
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I don't really agree with this. Think about it this way. I am a trained driver that will routinely go 90+ daily on the highway. 90 now feels like 55 used to and I am very comfortable with it. Does that give me the ability to drive like that whenever I want too? I have the training and experience....right?

There is ALWAYS the chance that somebody will pull out in front of you because they see you waaaaaaay down the road and figure it will take you a while to get to that piece of road. What they don't know, is that you are traveling twice the speed or better than what they are anticipating. Sometimes skill will get you out of these situations...sometimes a crash is inevitable. Lets say this time the crash will happen no matter what I do. If I am going 90 and hit a car that is maybe up to 20mph...somebody will die.

I think I have established myself as an experienced driver that can handle the car at high speeds. In this situation the person pulling out would have no reasonable expectation that a missle was approaching from the left. Therefore speed is the major factor in the death. If the speed had been, lets say 45mph, the trauma to the vehicles and bodies is greatly reduced and the chance of death or serious injury is reduced.

Cliff's notes:
The higher the speed, the greater the intrusion into the car and quite possibly the occupants. Therefore, speed kills.

Disclaimer, even running emergency traffic I take into account traffic conditions, side streets, driveways, and sight distance. This usually equates to 20-25 over in light traffic with all emergency equipment operational to aid in visibility. Even with that, I've had several pull right out in front of me. I have to take that into account when determining how fast I can go.
 
RufusTheRam said:
i would say so. speed is obviously a factor, but it's inexperience or lack of skill driving at higher speeds that's the real problem. i think blame should be placed where it belongs. speed in and of itself is not dangerous with the right person and the right equipment. it's the equivalent of people blaming violence on guns.

i do think all kids should have a beater at first though... it teaches you the value of having a nice car, builds character, and they're just plain fun as hell too :flipoff2:
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^^^^very good points, and i agree. there's really just too many variables like that though... we could argue for days over scenarios like that. drivers pull out in front of people going the speed limit all the time and cause accidents also. i'm just not convinced that if the national speed limit was raised to say 90mph and the proper driver education/training was provided that there would be more accidents. as you pointed out, there is no argument for driving at speeds much higher than the flow of traffic. that's a high risk for anyone. my argument is more from the standpoint of if speed limits were higher or if you're driving on an open/deserted road.
 
How about the just plain IMPATIENT ASSHOLES !!!,
turned off of Grasshopper Rd onto Poole this AM, Benz 190E (NC Tag ENETPRFT ) blasts around me just as I complete the turn, and blasts up Poole Rd, guess he had to be first to the next stop light, which is where I caught him, and waited the for the light just like him ( but he won, he was there first ) Then the assbag continues on to the next light ( again he won ) we finally get to the belt line, he blasts down the ramp, FORCES his car into line in the construction zone, then swoops over to the faster lane, last I saw he was battling for position with a Lexus sumthinerother and about ate the wall.

Of course, there were no popo's around during any of this, until I turned onto Brentwood and one was writing a love note to some gal in a Honda.

Man I wish I could mount a cannon to the front of my junk!

Kevin
 
^^never thought I would see Grasshopper Rd ever mentioned on the intranet. First for everthing. I have lived on that road for the last 15 years.

There some crazy mofo's on Poole road,
 
ratman i hope you were joking with this
Yep, remember that group of kids in Mommas Eclipse GT on 540? Splat.
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and even if you were thats not funny. those kids went to my school, they have good families and you need to respect the dead even if they were not being smart with their actions. have some fucking respect man
 
Metto said:
ratman i hope you were joking with this
and even if you were thats not funny. those kids went to my school, they have good families and you need to respect the dead even if they were not being smart with their actions. have some fucking respect man
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I agree you must respect the dead.. but if he did not have a f'in brand new sports car mayb ehe woul dnot have been racing another kid in his brand new car...... still goes back to these kids need beaters not race cars when they are in high school..
 
Metto said:
ratman i hope you were joking with this
and even if you were thats not funny. those kids went to my school, they have good families and you need to respect the dead even if they were not being smart with their actions. have some fucking respect man
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No, I was not attempting to be funny. Plain and simple fact. Stupidity kills. They were being stupid and paid the price. Is it nice and warm and fuzzy, no, cold hard fact. If more kids understood that maybe this unfortunate nonsense would cease to happen. Got your attention didn't it? Maybe you'll take 2 seconds to reconcider jumping that Honda or rushing to get in front of that one extra car next time. Respecting the dead? How about learning from their mistakes, that would show some respect.

On a side note I've met good kids from bad families and bad kids from good families. Whats your point?


I dont toss respect around lightly. Its something you earn from me by action and charecter. I was not however trying to be disrespectful.

I aggree with Kens assesment, had Momma not turned Jr loose in the 15 second sports car those younguns would still be alive. Of course had Jr RESPECTED his Momma's intent and property they'd still be alive as well. You can throw blame around by the 5 gallon bucket and neve reach a solution.

I have dug several teenagers out of bark, ditches and mangled metal chunks. Those experiences have made me a bit cynical and hardassed.
 
15 sec. sports car? isn't that one of those oxymoron things? ;)
 
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