World Population

benXJ said:
why do we labor?
to get that paper.
time=labor=money
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There's more to society than money.
Some jobs have to be done to keep us alive and take care of one another.
Money or no money.
And those are the ones that are increasingly strained as the population ages.
 
RatLabGuy said:
There's more to society than money.
Some jobs have to be done to keep us alive and take care of one another.
Money or no money.
And those are the ones that are increasingly strained as the population ages.
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I thought we solved that…kill the old people.
 
benXJ said:
Why?
You are retired with $2mm in 401k and real estate. You're not a leach or drain.
Why kill them?

Y'all are getting CLOSE to the solution
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because it takes people to provide the services this person now uses and wants to sepnd that $2m on, and meanwhile they are no longer providing to somebody else themselves, you have removed 1 more useful person from the pool.

Having money doesn't mean shit if there isn't manpower to provide whatever it is you want to use that money for.
 
If we ever find ourselves in a situation where there aren't enough people or reseouces to provide services to the average American retiree.....well then we are in troble and the popution issue will fix it self.

However, Whenever the gov't is concerend' with a shirnking population, its not becuase they are worried that a normal, honest, hardworking, saved for a rainy day, everyday person might not have the latest thing or luxury.

they are worried becuase they see a potential tax decrease or potential weakening of their power.

all they want is tax revenue to hold as a carrot in front of 50+% of the population.

there might be a decline in tax reenue so that means they can't promise the leeches any more cost of living inceases or redistribution programs.....and that is bad news for a politician.

why do oyu think the plan of action now is to let in as many 'destitute' people as they can and not focus on making the people and systems already here (more than enough) as efficient as possible, eliminatiing fraud, abuse and waste, and getting as many people as they can off the teet? They need to bump that 50% up to 51%. Now they have you.
 
benXJ said:
there might be a decline in tax reenue so that means they can't promise the leeches any more cost of living inceases or redistribution programs.....and that is bad news for a politician.
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Shrug.
What’s another trillion on the deficit.
 
benXJ said:
If we ever find ourselves in a situation where there aren't enough people or reseouces to provide services to the average American retiree.....well then we are in troble and the popution issue will fix it self.
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That is literally the situation we're talking about, and currently headed toward.
What happens when 1 in 4 people are too old to provide anything useful to society and want to just retire in peace?

I'm curious how you think the population issue will solve itself. It takes 20+ years to generate native workers.
 
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benXJ said:
why do oyu think the plan of action now is to let in as many 'destitute' people as they can and not focus on making the people and systems already here (more than enough) as efficient as possible, eliminatiing fraud, abuse and waste, and getting as many people as they can off the teet?
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Because math.
American native birth rate is ~1.6. We need 2.2 annual just to keep the population steady. If we don't import 20+% of our "new" population we die off very quickly.
If you don't like importing people, then get busy making your own Americans.
Also, I feel the need to remind you that statistically immigrants are better educated than native citizens. Only a very small % that we let in are "destitute".
 
Regarding the predicted decline of the world population, something I didn’t think of until very recently was the effect it will have on people’s ability to grow their wealth in the stock market. Most people who have a 401k are invested in mutual funds. If the number of people in the world decreases, then the consumption of things will decrease and companies will find it EXTREMELY difficult to grow their bottom line. A simple S&P500 index fund, or really any fund holding a large batch of companies stock will go sideways and then start to drop as those companies slowly lose business to a dwindling batch of consumers. Only the best managed companies will survive.

Housing also has a dismal looking future. Those trying to grow their wealth by buying real estate and renting houses, will not be able to find tenants. There will eventually be vacant houses in cities all over the world.

This isn't a concern for me, but my son may see it happen in the later years of his life.
 
But none of that will happen overnight. Plenty of time to plan and prepare. It's not an issue anyway, The world population is still predicting an increase, and many countries are experiencing a rising middle class. A few less people in the USA means nothing on the world stage. Coca Cola will still sell. So will cars. So will building materials. Bots will build it for us. India will need a billion more computers. Farmers will still sell all the food they can grow all around the world. It's a world economy. Why we feel the need to import bodies into the USA just for the sake of bodies is baffling to a rational thinking person....but lucky for Biden and Pete the sheep don't care too much.
 
benXJ said:
But none of that will happen overnight. Plenty of time to plan and prepare. It's not an issue anyway, The world population is still predicting an increase, and many countries are experiencing a rising middle class. A few less people in the USA means nothing on the world stage. Coca Cola will still sell. So will cars. So will building materials. Bots will build it for us. India will need a billion more computers. Farmers will still sell all the food they can grow all around the world. It's a world economy. Why we feel the need to import bodies into the USA just for the sake of bodies is baffling to a rational thinking person....but lucky for Biden and Pete the sheep don't care too much.
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How many of those Indians are paying us taxes?
How about those bots?

oh fyi - many farmers can’t sell the crops they grow now and they government pays them to destroy them …
 
benXJ said:
But none of that will happen overnight. Plenty of time to plan and prepare. It's not an issue anyway, The world population is still predicting an increase, and many countries are experiencing a rising middle class. A few less people in the USA means nothing on the world stage. Coca Cola will still sell. So will cars. So will building materials. Bots will build it for us. India will need a billion more computers. Farmers will still sell all the food they can grow all around the world. It's a world economy. Why we feel the need to import bodies into the USA just for the sake of bodies is baffling to a rational thinking person....but lucky for Biden and Pete the sheep don't care too much.
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Do we need to explain math to you? The good Dr. Kelly literally spelled it out for you already.
 
What? He said 'if the world population decreases'....and I'm not seeing that? Who is estimating a decrease? How much of a decrease? Also, we don't know what is gonna happen in the next 20+ years anyway, so you prepare the best you can now. He also didn't mention a single math equation that I saw.
You invest in Tesla, ford, and Microsoft....they gonna be selling to burgeoning populations around the world. Maybe you invest in a new AI company? Maybe a new revolutionary drug or food product? Maybe someone comes up with a way to recycle plastic easy .... Who knows what will happen. Right?
 
Ron said:
How many of those Indians are paying us taxes?
How about those bots?

oh fyi - many farmers can’t sell the crops they grow now and they government pays them to destroy them
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Maybe a lot when they gobble up our stuff. People have been scared of robot labor for 50 years.... nothing new....and it's not been that big of a deal cause it took a while and we got ready....as we can do now.

Your crooked government coming up with corrupt policies about any number of things....food, roads, immigration, proxy wars, china friendships.... nothing new. Now or 30 years from now.
 
benXJ said:
What? He said 'if the world population decreases'....and I'm not seeing that? Who is estimating a decrease? How much of a decrease? Also, we don't know what is gonna happen in the next 20+ years anyway, so you prepare the best you can now. He also didn't mention a single math equation that I saw.
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Gee - if only someone had posted multiple links to this fact, and it had even been discussed in thsi very thread.
But since you're lazy. here
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World Population

The last 20 posts have been discussing ILLEGAL immigration and the well documented detriments. Of course letting in a few that we NEED in underserved areas is a good thing. Duh. Everyone is talking about the bum rushing of illegals...and someone pops in and just uses the word i'mmigrant' to...
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And yes, we do know what is going to happen, because it already has happened. The population of the world for the nxt 70 years is known. Its pretty easy to predict the population 50 years fron now because you KNOW what the birth rate was yesterday and how long people live.
benXJ said:
You invest in Tesla, ford, and Microsoft....they gonna be selling to burgeoning populations around the world. Maybe you invest in a new AI company? Maybe a new revolutionary drug or food product? Maybe someone comes up with a way to recycle plastic easy .... Who knows what will happen. Right?
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No they're not bc all those other populations are diminishing. There will be fewer people to buy stuff and to make stuff, but the existing population will still be around needing care. No revolutionary drug is going to make people not need to be taken care of when they are old. No AI is going to produce things for humans.
Th "cure" is pretty simple. And even kind of fun. Make babies. About 2.2 of them per family. Shoot for 3-4 to hedge your bets.
The less fun, but equally important part is then raising those babies to be good citizens molding in the image you want.
 
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drkelly said:
Housing also has a dismal looking future. Those trying to grow their wealth by buying real estate and renting houses, will not be able to find tenants. There will eventually be vacant houses in cities all over the world.

This isn't a concern for me, but my son may see it happen in the later years of his life.
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This is where things are going to get pretty interesting (in a not so good way).
Indeed - in the short term (like 20-30 years?) real estate will continue to be a great investment bc demand will exceed supply. But then we'll start dying off, the population starts shrinking, and suddenly supply exceed demand. And since it will become increasing difficuly to reverse that trend (bc as it becomes more and more difficult to deal with the cost of babies, increasingly fewer people will), it will just get worse and worse.
We will then find ourselves doing what China is literally doing NOW and demolishing lost of perfectly good housing solely for the sake of keeping the market balanced. Craziness.
 
I'm seeing a steady raise to 10.9 billion people by 2100. And those are guesses. LOTS AND LOTS can change in 70 years, and will. Many countires are seeing a steady rise in middle class, so even if the population decreases a bit, there will still be plenty of comsumers. I don't see how less people automatically means declining everything else. Talking in absolutes like 'less people to make stuff' and 'not in a good way' is hyperbole at best. What stuff? Maybe things are no longer needed or needed for less time. Processes get more efficient, new tech is invented, more farm land due to rising temps, markets change, tastes change, people migrate, wars, famines, droughts, floods. Don't forget that there are tens/hundreds of millions of people that don't contribute a single thing to society from birth and are net leeches and drains and takers from the tax payers for 70+ years...bodies for the sake of bodies is not the answer.

Not to mention the advances in computing power and medicine could completely change the landscape in 20-30 years and an entire new crop of concerns, ideas, and issues arise...you never know.

We will adapt...we can see the issue coming, and the popuation will move on.....10.9 billion or 10.5 billion. Whatever.

Tearing down houses sounds like a great idea.....more open land for parks, wildlife, outdoor living, camping, hiking, maybe even cleaner air and water?! That sounds great for my future children!
 
I also take, from that article, that we can expect overseas manufacturing to start moving away from China, as the labor rates will climb faster, as the workforce declines. It has slowly started already, but that may speed it up.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
I also take, from that article, that we can expect overseas manufacturing to start moving away from China, as the labor rates will climb faster, as the workforce declines. It has slowly started already, but that may speed it up.
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Maybe, but as automation and AI improves, they will just poorly copy the good stuff and put it in place and not need as many people.
 
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