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Tesla's battery-swapping plan has a mere shadow of the promise it once showed

Two years after its debut, Tesla's battery-swapping program is not in good shape.
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Tesla shuts down battery swap program in favor of Superchargers, for now

Tesla’s battery swap station near the Harris Ranch Supercharger station in Coalinga, CA seems to have been shut down, at least for now. What started out as a company vision to recharge Tesla vehicles in the same amount of time, if not quicker, as refueling a gas vehicle, turned into a pilot...
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I am not talking about all cars having a universal battery, or swapping out the factory battery, even though that is likely the best solution for the consumer.

What I am suggesting is what the aftermarket is good at, and additional item. You have the factory battery in the car. If you frequently need more distance, you add this additional battery pack in the (f)trunk. It comes with a harness that connects inline with the original battery and controller. You can still use the factory battery and charger like normal. But this added battery can be swapped out at a store for a fresh one, Plug & play. Maybe it even has bluetooth or some other way to pair with the car or your phone, where you can turn it on/off and know how much storage is left.

Basically the same concept as a cell phone. Some phones its easy to swap out the battery, but most these days it is not. So you have a mophie case, or similar battery pack to give you a boost when you arent able to plug-in.
 
Some companies are working on something of this nature.
Won't be easy to implement since the charging of a car isn't possible during driving. Not that it's not physically possible, it's just restricted by the software.

Also, battery packs are very heavy, not sure where you'd put that aux pack unless you have a truck with an empty bed. A trailer battery pack does seem doable but cumbersome for most people.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
I am not talking about all cars having a universal battery, or swapping out the factory battery, even though that is likely the best solution for the consumer.

What I am suggesting is what the aftermarket is good at, and additional item. You have the factory battery in the car. If you frequently need more distance, you add this additional battery pack in the (f)trunk. It comes with a harness that connects inline with the original battery and controller. You can still use the factory battery and charger like normal. But this added battery can be swapped out at a store for a fresh one, Plug & play. Maybe it even has bluetooth or some other way to pair with the car or your phone, where you can turn it on/off and know how much storage is left.

Basically the same concept as a cell phone. Some phones its easy to swap out the battery, but most these days it is not. So you have a mophie case, or similar battery pack to give you a boost when you arent able to plug-in.
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Bebop said:
Some companies are working on something of this nature.
Won't be easy to implement since the charging of a car isn't possible during driving. Not that it's not physically possible, it's just restricted by the software.

Also, battery packs are very heavy, not sure where you'd put that aux pack unless you have a truck with an empty bed. A trailer battery pack does seem doable but cumbersome for most people.
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You'd most likely need such technology on a long trip, when you're likely to have people/luggage/cargo. No room for a huge extra battery.
 
LBarr2002 said:
You'd most likely need such technology on a long trip, when you're likely to have people/luggage/cargo. No room for a huge extra battery.
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Yup. That's why my thought was something the size of a roller bag, since everyone seems to design around them... but without knowing the energy density of the latest tech, Im sure something that size would only get you 50 miles or something.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Yup. That's why my thought was something the size of a roller bag, since everyone seems to design around them... but without knowing the energy density of the latest tech, Im sure something that size would only get you 50 miles or something.
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Try much less than that and probably impossible to lift in the trunk of the car by yourself.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Yup. That's why my thought was something the size of a roller bag, since everyone seems to design around them... but without knowing the energy density of the latest tech, Im sure something that size would only get you 50 miles or something.
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Just make it the size and shape of a human body.
Car already has 3+ extra spots for those :D
 
Honestly, that might be a good option for a Tesla that has been wrecked, and they wont "certify" it again. The title is still good, and you can rebuild it using black market parts, but Tesla will not "re-enable" the PCM in the car for it to be functional.... Just LS swap it.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Honestly, that might be a good option for a Tesla that has been wrecked, and they wont "certify" it again. The title is still good, and you can rebuild it using black market parts, but Tesla will not "re-enable" the PCM in the car for it to be functional.... Just LS swap it.
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That, or wait for holley or another company to make an aftermarket ECU for it.
 
Bebop said:
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Project Trinity: With high range, extremely short charging times and revolutionary production, the sedan will launch in 2026

Volkswagen is giving a first design preview of Project Trinity: The electrically powered sedan is to be built in Wolfsburg from 2026 and will set new standards in terms of range, charging speed and digitization – and will be able to drive highly automated according to Level 4.
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Look at the last paragraph...
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"Sounds like they will be offering a V8 with a blower sticking through the hood, manual transmission, manual door locks, and manual windows!" -No One Ever :(
 
For $8/mo your car can sound like a V8 !
And for $5/mo we can program it to mimik the behavior of a manual trans !
 
There's no question there is an upcoming trade in being able to hack, upgrade, reprogram etc vehicle platforms. Literally a whole market is coming, black, grey, and white.
And for those of you young guys or those with kids considering a future, degrees in ECE are the ticket.
 
RatLabGuy said:
There's no question there is an upcoming trade in being able to hack, upgrade, reprogram etc vehicle platforms. Literally a whole market is coming, black, grey, and white.
And for those of you young guys or those with kids considering a future, degrees in ECE are the ticket.
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Has been the case for a while now.

EFI Live, HPTuners and other platforms have been doing this pretty successfully.

The main issue is that most cars will have a constant communication stream between the manufacturers servers and will not let you operate them if this data link is compromised.
 
Bebop said:
Has been the case for a while now.

EFI Live, HPTuners and other platforms have been doing this pretty successfully.

The main issue is that most cars will have a constant communication stream between the manufacturers servers and will not let you operate them if this data link is compromised.
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Unless you can figure out how to mimic the server data stream, with the info that the car needs to run correctly.
 
Bebop said:
The main issue is that most cars will have a constant communication stream between the manufacturers servers and will not let you operate them if this data link is compromised.
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There are some major challenges to this on a widespread consumer market though.
Aside from the obvious problem thatt here are still, and will be for a long time, places in the country where broadcast communication just does not work (mountain hollows, big spans out west, etc) there is also the problem that there a places people work where it isn't even legal due to security concerns. E.g. certain government facilities.

Hence this will always be relegated to only certain features not critical to safety or mobility, and likely have either a sub-model without or some means for enabling offline performance.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Unless you can figure out how to mimic the server data stream, with the info that the car needs to run correctly.
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Which will become harder and harder to do. But that's a solution.

RatLabGuy said:
There are some major challenges to this on a widespread consumer market though.
Aside from the obvious problem thatt here are still, and will be for a long time, places in the country where broadcast communication just does not work (mountain hollows, big spans out west, etc) there is also the problem that there a places people work where it isn't even legal due to security concerns. E.g. certain government facilities.

Hence this will always be relegated to only certain features not critical to safety or mobility, and likely have either a sub-model without or some means for enabling offline performance.
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You raise a great point. But it wouldn't be the first time OEMs made a vehicle with special features that aren't available to the general public. Which will be even easier to do when it's just a software update away.
 
Bebop said:
Which will become harder and harder to do. But that's a solution.
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hence why training & degrees in ECE are the future :D
 
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