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Put down a late preemergent/trimec mix last night. Mainly to try to get on top of the dandelions. Waited too long with the preemergent because I couldn't find a time to do it in time for rain. Yard looks like trash right now
 
R Q said:
Looks good John. Even in that shade you got the Poa Annua! But that's better turf than I've ever seen there.
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That's the thing I get it looking good (several years now) then summer comes and it all dies off and I do it again. I'm going to try and make sure we get the Willow Oak limbed up for more sun this year, If I can get a tree guy to show up or return my calls.
As far as the weeds yeah I sprayed them just last week but they are taking longer to die off than I expected. Maybe it is the cool nights.
 
No fries said:
That's the thing I get it looking good (several years now) then summer comes and it all dies off and I do it again. I'm going to try and make sure we get the Willow Oak limbed up for more sun this year, If I can get a tree guy to show up or return my calls.
As far as the weeds yeah I sprayed them just last week but they are taking longer to die off than I expected. Maybe it is the cool nights.
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thats not a sun problem. you need a wetting agent and humates
 
No fries said:
Can you elaborate? product recommendation and application
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Poa can do well in shaded and moist areas. Top selling bullet point for it. Conversely - it is extremely sensitive to drought and heat. Very low tolerance
A good wetting agent can increase drought and heat resistance exponentially. I mfg a wetting agent and many of my new mexico and arizona customers love the product exclusively because they continue to grow their veggies and/or flower gardens well into summer when everyone else packs it in till fall.

You will find alot of case studies (Hawaii University has a great one) on how important Humates are to nutrient density (drought/heat resistance due to sap health). It is the number one driver of making Phosphate available - and we all know that *zero* nutrients get into a plant without hitching a ride on the boat called Phosphate (this is how Roundup Glyphosate works - it simply blocks phosphate absorption)

I would experiment using a bio friendly soap, with a humate (low aluminum), along with a sugar - spraying or fertigating that 3x per week. If youre desparate for the results, apply daily spreading out the dosing

EDIT: in case its not known, wetting agents increase penetration (deeper and wider)
Great example video (rest of video content not sanctioned lol )
 
No fries said:
I just wanted to post this so I can look back and appreciate it later when it's a dust bowl in my back yard come June.
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ckruzer said:
Poa can do well in shaded and moist areas. Top selling bullet point for it. Conversely - it is extremely sensitive to drought and heat. Very low tolerance
A good wetting agent can increase drought and heat resistance exponentially. I mfg a wetting agent and many of my new mexico and arizona customers love the product exclusively because they continue to grow their veggies and/or flower gardens well into summer when everyone else packs it in till fall.

You will find alot of case studies (Hawaii University has a great one) on how important Humates are to nutrient density (drought/heat resistance due to sap health). It is the number one driver of making Phosphate available - and we all know that *zero* nutrients get into a plant without hitching a ride on the boat called Phosphate (this is how Roundup Glyphosate works - it simply blocks phosphate absorption)

I would experiment using a bio friendly soap, with a humate (low aluminum), along with a sugar - spraying or fertigating that 3x per week. If youre desparate for the results, apply daily spreading out the dosing

EDIT: in case its not known, wetting agents increase penetration (deeper and wider)
Great example video (rest of video content not sanctioned lol )
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Thanks I will research more. Make sense, but we also don't have a sprinkler system and I'm to busy to drag one around through the summer. We have been in this house for 27 years and it seems to get worse every year, Soil test seemed "normal". Also it seems some of that grass when germinates it didn't grow as fast as other areas.
Might be cheaper to pave it with $1 bills to keep it green.lol
 
No fries said:
Thanks I will research more. Make sense, but we also don't have a sprinkler system and I'm to busy to drag one around through the summer. We have been in this house for 27 years and it seems to get worse every year, Soil test seemed "normal". Also it seems some of that grass when germinates it didn't grow as fast as other areas.
Might be cheaper to pave it with $1 bills to keep it green.lol
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About $8.50 a square foot. Not bad honestly. I imagine maintenance would be a bitch though. All the dollars would keep walking away.
 
Decided to start over

Ripped up old and tilled entire yard, raked entire yard(that was terrible) seeded and put down straw. Now we water it for the next few weeks and hope :)
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This past summer we left a pasture (about an acre) alone then got our pigs onto it but the fight against dogfennel has been a losing one. What are my options to spray/ treat this area to hopefully see none or drastically less of this nasty crap next spring. @R Q @No fries
 
skyhighZJ said:
This past summer we left a pasture (about an acre) alone then got our pigs onto it but the fight against dogfennel has been a losing one. What are my options to spray/ treat this area to hopefully see none or drastically less of this nasty crap next spring. @R Q @No fries
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Thanks for tagging me but im probably more at a loss than you. Lol. I just sprayed for weeds last week. And praying they are dead for when I seed this coming weekend.
 
Sifted thru a bin of compost to spread on the lawn before I aerate this weekend. Will probably get about 4 or 5 more out of our compost bin.
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I'm not really familiar with Dogfennel but I looked it up. Sounds like a very persistent weed that requires different measures during different stages of it's growth cycle for possible control. It grows from seed, rhizome, and will even sprout from dropped plant parts when cut or broken. @guffey24 may be able to give you more insight into control. It's a perennial weed so once it's in the ground it will keep coming back. But timing to control/suppress it is in it's early stages of growth using 24D products. Later it round up...

Dogfennel Control in Pastures - UF/IFAS Extension Baker County

Dogfennel is a native perennial plant found across much of the southeastern United States. It is an aggressive weed species
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justjeepin86 said:
Mom and dad's yard. It has never gotten fertilized or anything done to it. Dad bought some zoysia plugs when I was a kid. I guess in the late 80's. It's always gorgeous once summer arrives. It's spread everywhere that gets good sun. He also mows with a crappy rider.

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My dad planted some of that seven or eight years ago and it’s spread into some really nice patches in his yard. Maybe in another 30 years or so his yard will look as nice as your dad’s. :laughing:
 
My in-laws converted their front lawn from fescue to Zoysia about 6-8 years ago. It looks fantastic in the warm months.
 
justjeepin86 said:
What are these two weeds and how do I treat them?
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24D products will kill the smaller one, Chamber Bitter. the larger one is Strawberry and with the waxy leaf it will be harder to kill, spray it when it first emerges in early summer and it's easier to kill. If you're going to reseed soon don't spray them now, wait. Frost will get the small one soon
 
R Q said:
24D products will kill the smaller one, Chamber Bitter. the larger one is Strawberry and with the waxy leaf it will be harder to kill, spray it when it first emerges in early summer and it's easier to kill. If you're going to reseed soon don't spray them now, wait. Frost will get the small one soon
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Chamber bitter, interesting. I have a flower bed that has a bunch of it growing and it's moving into the yard. I notice it has tons of little seeds all over the leaves. What a pain. Thanks for the info.

I seeded about 3 weeks ago, Would it be ok to spray now, or will it hurt the young grass?
 
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