alright lets talk business, shall we

CasterTroy said:
Ahh geez kid, scram...ya botherin me...you're not even old enough to understand towing :lol:



There's no longer an "R.J. Reynolds" that rewards you for 30 yrs of loyalty with a pension that basically equaled your paycheck for the rest of your life. Now you've got AT&T's that will lay you off after 28yrs to avoid paying you retirement...so where's the incentive to stay ANYWHERE?

(I say that sitting in an office with a title at the same engineering firm I started at in 1995....but I DID stray in 2005-2009 to construction. Just the tip....just to see how it felt)
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True that! But the strike has corrected the retirement issues hopefully.
 
CasterTroy said:
Ahh geez kid, scram...ya botherin me...you're not even old enough to understand towing :lol:



There's no longer an "R.J. Reynolds" that rewards you for 30 yrs of loyalty with a pension that basically equaled your paycheck for the rest of your life. Now you've got AT&T's that will lay you off after 28yrs to avoid paying you retirement...so where's the incentive to stay ANYWHERE?

(I say that sitting in an office with a title at the same engineering firm I started at in 1995....but I DID stray in 2005-2009 to construction. Just the tip....just to see how it felt)
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yep...
I'll never forget learning that lesson when I left Cummins in 2013.
After 8 years in the same role, and 3x being named top 5 nationally at my job. I scheduled a meeting with the VP and explained why I thought I deserved a raise. He explained that corp policy prevented it and all people with the same title got paid the same. I told him I understood but based on that felt like I needed to explore my options. He said his grass was the greenest. Two week later I was back in his office, offer letter in hand from his competitor for a $35k annual raise. Suddenly without asking anyone he was able to match it and go another $5k. I apologized but I'd already given my word to the other guys I was starting in 2 weeks. He understood.

One of my old construction buddies and mentors when I was a young dumb strung out strong back always said "Never forget. You will never make up the money you leave on the desk when you are coming in the door."
Its sad but current business culture to get significant bumps you almost always have to change horses.

Now my jumps have typically been after 5-10 years (for those keeping score that move after Cummins only last 13 months -it is the exception)..but in all cases I had my next one already lined up before I left the current and in all cases Id be hired back without question if I wanted to come back.
 
Ron said:
Its sad but current business culture to get significant bumps you almost always have to change horses.
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As I've mentored people through their careers, I always say they have to look out for #1, no one else will. The company has absolutely zero loyalty to you, and you should have none to them. Not to mention, everyone is replaceable. On the flip side as I've advised companies, the advice is always to train folks well enough so they can leave, but treat them well enough so they don't.
 
This is kinda fitting I think
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UTfball68 said:
I understand what you're saying in this case, but in fairness, that's really not that uncommon these days, and something I always have to explain to elderly management. Gone are the days of everyone working one place their whole lives. The younger working class want perks and quick advancement...recruiters know this. Give a late 20's kid a title, flexibility to work from home one day a week and a gym membership...you can probably lure them away from whatever company they're currently at with little to no increase in pay (maybe even a decrease if you shorten their commute). With the economy over the last decade, a lot of the laborer class is just chasing the next highest wage (cough cough, theme of this thread)...and don't feel lucky to just be employed. Hell, I've worked for 7 different companies in 10 different roles over the last 10 years myself...admittedly, chasing salaries and titles, never working for 1 company for more than 2 years and my current role is the longest I've been in a particular role. For every 100 resumes I review from the lowest level employee I have on up to the C Suite, I bet there are less than 10 resumes that have stayed in one role for 5+ years in the last 10 years.
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Let me rephrase he was fired from most if not all his previous jobs from what we checked. He talked a big talk and that was it and never fallowed through on his jobs.

I told my boss he could hire him and I would turn in my two week the same day


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Ron said:
in all cases Id be hired back without question if I wanted to come back.
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This i dont understand why people are so willing to burn a bridge. when i was interning i went to where i was and told them i was leaving i wanted to try out a different company (this is after we had already discussed me coming on full time after internship) they understood and told me if it didnt work out the door was open. it wasnt what i thought and i came back and came back where i left off. I have been offered a job by the other company since i left after it didnt work out and still meet with several of the people i worked with twice a year at a conference, and they always say the door is still open. Hell i walked out of that job pissed off and bitter and they still would take me back.
 
For the record, I left. Today was my last day.
 
Wait, where did the other thread go? I was Garaged, which was reasonable... now completely gone?
At the request of the OP?
 
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Had a guy tell me that once when I fired him. I said are you sure, he said hell yeah I’m leaving on my own terms, I asked him nicely to please sign this, he signed it with no problem. Then the jackass asked how to file for unemployment after getting his personal belongings. I said you don’t get unemployment if you quit normally but you can try.
 
marty79 said:
For the record, I left. Today was my last day.
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This will be my last time I ever give you advice so make a note. You ever think to just shut your damn mouth and sack up for your family? I honestly wouldn't give two shits if you fell off the earth tomorrow but the people I feel for are your wife and kids. Kids more than anything. They can't choose who gets to be their dad. Some luck out and then some are stuck with dumbasses like yourself. Do you think most of us here haven't felt underappreciated? For the first 10 years of my adult career I saw people with higher degrees walk past me knowing good and well that I was ten times the employee they were. You put your head down, you shut your fucking mouth and you work hard until you get a better opportunity and then you can jump ship. It's called looking out for your loved ones. Eating the shit that gets shoveled your way so you can make their lives better. There's nothing wrong with having confidence in your abilities. It's another thing to walk around openly discussing how you're so much better and deserve so much more. You have an entitlement problem. Also, you have no idea how business works. It's painfully obvious to anyone who has half a clue. Selling drugs doesn't count as a business so quit acting like you know what you don't. Does it make you happy to live off of others? Obviously, you're not beneath taking a hand out. I bet they know you by name at the unemployment office by now. Do you see the pattern? Do you see you're in a constant state of repetition? Get hired, work a couple of months, think you deserve more, quit. You need to shake yourself and grow up. Life isn't fair, it never was. Be a hero to your kids before they figure out what's really going on. If you want your own business than work long enough to save up the money and then start your own but in the mean time shut up. Don't talk, just go in, smile and do what you're told until you don't have to anymore. Quit worrying about what the boss has or anyone else. You literally just pissed away one of the best opportunities you will ever have to learn and get paid doing it.

The last thing I'll leave you with is this. You claim to be a religious sort of guy. So how about looking at one of the best lessons that applies directly to you. Proverbs 16:18. Until you can learn some humility and humbleness you'll be stuck right where you're at for the rest of your days and you can mark my words.
 
marty79 said:
For the record, I left. Today was my last day.
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I'm really curious how your wife puts up with your shit. I mean what'd you tell her when you got home today? "I quit my perfectly good fair paying job because my dumbass talked shit and left before I was fired. But I was gonna leave anyways because my 35k skill set deserves 50k+ a year."

I'm still baffled at how dumb you are at this game of life and unwillingness to soak up the advice of others.

If you're really chasing a higher paying job get trained and certified in a trade (hvac, plumbing, construction, pipe welding, etc) then stick with it for longer than a middle school crush and you should easily make $25+/hr after a year or two. Hell even sales you can make good money if you have people skills.
 
McCracken said:
This will be my last time I ever give you advice so make a note. You ever think to just shut your damn mouth and sack up for your family? I honestly wouldn't give two shits if you fell off the earth tomorrow but the people I feel for are your wife and kids. Kids more than anything. They can't choose who gets to be their dad. Some luck out and then some are stuck with dumbasses like yourself. Do you think most of us here haven't felt underappreciated? For the first 10 years of my adult career I saw people with higher degrees walk past me knowing good and well that I was ten times the employee they were. You put your head down, you shut your fucking mouth and you work hard until you get a better opportunity and then you can jump ship. It's called looking out for your loved ones. Eating the shit that gets shoveled your way so you can make their lives better. There's nothing wrong with having confidence in your abilities. It's another thing to walk around openly discussing how you're so much better and deserve so much more. You have an entitlement problem. Also, you have no idea how business works. It's painfully obvious to anyone who has half a clue. Selling drugs doesn't count as a business so quit acting like you know what you don't. Does it make you happy to live off of others? Obviously, you're not beneath taking a hand out. I bet they know you by name at the unemployment office by now. Do you see the pattern? Do you see you're in a constant state of repetition? Get hired, work a couple of months, think you deserve more, quit. You need to shake yourself and grow up. Life isn't fair, it never was. Be a hero to your kids before they figure out what's really going on. If you want your own business than work long enough to save up the money and then start your own but in the mean time shut up. Don't talk, just go in, smile and do what you're told until you don't have to anymore. Quit worrying about what the boss has or anyone else. You literally just pissed away one of the best opportunities you will ever have to learn and get paid doing it.

The last thing I'll leave you with is this. You claim to be a religious sort of guy. So how about looking at one of the best lessons that applies directly to you. Proverbs 16:18. Until you can learn some humility and humbleness you'll be stuck right where you're at for the rest of your days and you can mark my words.
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Just FYI this is NOT the advice I told nick to give him. He decided it would probably get us both banned


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Chris_Keziah said:
I mean what'd you tell her when you got home today? "I quit my perfectly good fair paying job because my dumbass talked shit and left before I was fired. But I was gonna leave anyways because my 35k skill set deserves 50k+ a year.".
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That’s really my question. I’ve quit my share of jobs, but always had something else lined up. As a man, I’m not sure how I’d even try explaining this to my wife, I’d be too ashamed. How does that conversation even go...hey hunny, I was flapping my jaws on the internet, and it cost me my ability to support you and the kids and to build a better life for us. It would be a good long time before I could even look my wife in the eyes, and frankly I’m not sure how I’d live with myself over something so silly.
 
I was just wondering....what with all the job switching, jumping, and quitting, you may only be averaging being employed 9 months out of 12. (Just a guess).

So that twenty bucks an hour you are getting (just a guess) when you are wanting twenty five (just a guess) actually only nets out to fifteen an hour (just a guess) over the course of a year.

No need to respond. I already know your answer.

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Ron said:
yep...
I'll never forget learning that lesson when I left Cummins in 2013.
After 8 years in the same role, and 3x being named top 5 nationally at my job. I scheduled a meeting with the VP and explained why I thought I deserved a raise. He explained that corp policy prevented it and all people with the same title got paid the same. I told him I understood but based on that felt like I needed to explore my options. He said his grass was the greenest. Two week later I was back in his office, offer letter in hand from his competitor for a $35k annual raise. Suddenly without asking anyone he was able to match it and go another $5k. I apologized but I'd already given my word to the other guys I was starting in 2 weeks. He understood.
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This is one that always pissed me off, and one reason I transferred stores when I was in retail. The store manager would only give a raise if your review was excellent, and then only 1% because "corporate wouldn't authorize more." I knew it was BS, and applied for another position at another store, got the job and a raise. When I told my manager I was transferring he offered more than the other store without blinking and eye or making the first call. No thanks, already took the other job. And when I got there and it came review time I got a raise more inline with the real company policy. I mean if a company has a shitty raise/salary policy then so be it, but regardless of the policy don't lie about it, especially when it's easy to verify if you're being legit or blowing smoke.

Loganwayne said:
This i dont understand why people are so willing to burn a bridge. when i was interning i went to where i was and told them i was leaving i wanted to try out a different company (this is after we had already discussed me coming on full time after internship) they understood and told me if it didnt work out the door was open. it wasnt what i thought and i came back and came back where i left off. I have been offered a job by the other company since i left after it didnt work out and still meet with several of the people i worked with twice a year at a conference, and they always say the door is still open. Hell i walked out of that job pissed off and bitter and they still would take me back.
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Also this^. I've never left a job without another lined up, and never went to a new job without some type of backup plan or invitation back to previous employment. When I left retail for the FD, I was told by several managers at multiple stores if it didn't work out to come see them. One even offered me a part time gig just in case it didn't work out they could transition me back to full time quicker. Then when I left one FD for another, again I was told if it didn't work out to come back and see them, and again was offered to stay on as a part time employee.

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