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SHINTON said:
Hoooooly crap this thread has me rethinking the el cheapo solution for sure. I am a bit curious about the claim that a 20x20ish pole barn could be sourced and built for $750? In theory "even I" likely have enough carpentry skills to put up something simple like that? Since I am NOT a contractor, most of my shopping takes place on Amazon or Lowes Hardware for this kind of stuff, but not sure where you would source the trusses? Everything else seems pretty simple to me, heavy and probably need help from strong friends or the right kind of equipment but doable as a weekend(ish) project? I have a 20x20ish area covered in asphalt just outside of my (new to me) basement / garage door and thus the reason I am asking.

I think these are the Red Iron barns that have been discussed here before, but $600-1000 for the cheapo INSTALLED vs $2200 and you have to do the work yourself is a pretty big difference. But I suspect highly worth the extra money.

These folks are saying $2200 for their 20x20 kit.
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Their “kits” most the time include the trusses metal connectors and roof panels. All the lumber you would have to supply.

*note I didn’t read the adds just looked at pictures but that’s what they typically spec in the fine print.



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@shawn your refering to the codes... they exist. Apply to dwellings and engineered spaces attached to a residence. Some occupied some not. Maybe even a fancy space engineered and designed for its purpose.

@CasterTroy me thinks your referring to certain; we will call them structures, don't fall into the category of requiring them.

Carports, pole barns, sheds, or otherwise unattached structures.

But you need a permit. Err permission.

Now place nice and keep at it inteligently....I'm waiting for those fancy words I got the definitions too in that other thread.
 
I have serious question.

So if the the weather event was in fact pushing some set regulations who's authority does it go to to insure changes made for suitability?

Not saying we don't have high enough values for current patterns, but what if?

Local government? State? Or pushed by insurance and adopted by agencies?
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
I have serious question.

So if the the weather event was in fact pushing some set regulations who's authority does it go to to insure changes made for suitability?

Not saying we don't have high enough values for current patterns, but what if?

Local government? State? Or pushed by insurance and adopted by agencies?
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What will happen is insurance won’t cover yhe structure or property parked under it because it’s not built to minimum codes and standards and will deny coverage. Then the homeowners will get smart and put a real structure up next time.
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
I have serious question.

So if the the weather event was in fact pushing some set regulations who's authority does it go to to insure changes made for suitability?

Not saying we don't have high enough values for current patterns, but what if?

Local government? State? Or pushed by insurance and adopted by agencies?
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N.C. division of insurance is responsible for codes and code enforcement.


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shawn said:
So post them. I'll wait.
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WARRIORWELDING said:
@shawn your refering to the codes... they exist. Apply to dwellings and engineered spaces attached to a residence. Some occupied some not. Maybe even a fancy space engineered and designed for its purpose.

@CasterTroy me thinks your referring to certain; we will call them structures, don't fall into the category of requiring them.

Carports, pole barns, sheds, or otherwise unattached structures.

But you need a permit. Err permission.
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This is from the NC Residential Code. There are not similar exceptions in the NCBC.

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So there are only two exceptions: it has to fit inside of a 12ft cube, or it has to be a shitty portable carport that is less than 400SF.

If it has a foundation, it's not portable.
 
Ron said:
Didnt look at where your location was, saw the pic and immediately said 'That's L&L up in FlatRock/Hendersonville'

Literally the only body shop I now within 50 miles of there. what are the odds.
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There’s a few but not that size...or any that can produce that amount of work he does... known him since I was tiny
 
Are the metal carports considered portable? I doubt it.

I’d consider portable structures more along the lines of erected tents. Even so, some counties require permits for party tents.
 
Ibayne said:
There’s a few but not that size...or any that can produce that amount of work he does... known him since I was tiny
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I'm worlds away but, Lynn (I think thats his name) did a pretty crazy custom job for me on a piece of equipment maybe 10 years ago...
 
rockcity said:
Are the metal carports considered portable? I doubt it.
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According to my local inspections dept, if it is not tied to a foundation, no one is SLEEPING in it, nor electric service ran to it, then it falls under the exception of Farm Building (see exception 2 under 101.2 in NCBC) and requires neither permit, nor inspections. This can be a carport, or fully enclosed "garage/barn" so long as it has a gravel floor (or slab that doesn't have embedded anchor points welded to the structure), and does NOT have power "service"

Now, you can take an extension cord, direct bury it, and wire it to a junction box once inside the Farm Building. So long as that cord PLUGS into an outlet, they didn't see anything
 
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My pap’s tractor shed fell down late Sunday here in East Tennessee. It was a post steel style building that had been standing about 20 years. The bottom chords on the trusses snapped. I doubt it was engineered at all, just built like all the other tractor sheds around. So, shit can happen to any type of building with enough weight on it.
 
rockcity said:
What will happen is insurance won’t cover yhe structure or property parked under it because it’s not built to minimum codes and standards and will deny coverage. Then the homeowners will get smart and put a real structure up next time.
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I knew that much.
 
Even properly engineered and built structures have failed under the heavy snow load from this storm. In my area the storm started with freezing rain then a very wet heavy snow on top of the ice that formed. Awnings covering sidewalks at multiple schools in my area have failed under the heavy loads. Roof of a business in Black Mountain has partially collapsed as well.
 
SHINTON said:
I am a bit curious about the claim that a 20x20ish pole barn could be sourced and built for $750?
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go price out the material bro. I mean we're talking 6 posts, bunch of 2x4s to build your trusses. Yeah obviously if you source out the trusses that you buy with the little metal flimsy gussets that will drastically change the cost but build your own trusses, it's simple and easy. Then you're just buying the roofing, of course if you put down plywood first then the metal roofing add extra for that but still, for 800ish you can have a 18x25 carport built with 8ft legs.

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My moms carport did not hold up. 24x20. Took the truck with it, waiting to hear if insurance will pay to fix it or total it. Truck has less than 70k on it and she just paid to have air bags added for towing, replaced the power steering pump and all 4 disc brakes with new tires. Major kick in the face to her if they total it.


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that sucks bad, sorry to see that. Hopefully insurance will work everything out in her favor.
rockcity said:
Are the metal carports considered portable? I doubt it.
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yes they are which is probably why my boss never gets in trouble or any manufacturer for the matter
 
I think this thread actually turned out kinda good because it seems some, not all, have learned a thing or two about these cheap carports/buildings from the normal manufacturers so hopefully people can reconsider in the future of what they purchase and better plan for an enclosure to suit everyone's needs
 
Blaze said:
How can one thread have so much win and so much fail at the same time.
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You're been here long enough to know, its more common than you'd think
 
marty79 said:
I think this thread actually turned out kinda good because it seems some, not all, have learned a thing or two about these cheap carports/buildings from the normal manufacturers so hopefully people can reconsider in the future of what they purchase and better plan for an enclosure to suit everyone's needs
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I think it just reaffirms what everyone already knew. Cheap carports will fail when needed and ruin your car parked under it.
 
IDK, my carport (16x20 I think.. "double" car port, though you'd be hard pressed to fit two cars in it and get in/out) held up just fine to the 12+/-" of heavy wet snow we got here that took down miles of lines. It's got ties on each element at the peak and at the ends at the vertical to slope. Tin runs length wise. Even after it got hit by a trackhoe boom while I was playing operator grading my driveway while testing for leaks post repair.. oops.
 
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