Donaldt Rump v Hillary debate

Trump has been shot down in flames. It is over for him.
 
drkelly said:
Trump has been shot down in flames. It is over for him.
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True, but it has been and seems as though it will continue to be quite a show. Much better reality TV than his stupid show The Apprentice.
 
Regardless of which clown wins, America loses.
 
rockcity said:
If you think people dodge taxes now, wait till hillary's tax plans are implemented. You can bet your ass I'm not paying 45% taxes and will find a way around it.
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You NC people are screwed for sure if that happens,you guys are already taxed to death.
 
drkelly said:
Trump has been shot down in flames. It is over for him.
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Yeah this is the last nail in the coffin for him.The best we can hope for is a better candidate in 20 and to be able to hold on to Congress until then and not lose any scj's in the mean time.
 
frankenyoter said:
It will be interesting to see what will happen with the WikiLeaks release on Wednesday.
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you mean the release that was supposed to happen last wed?
 
rockcity said:
If you think people dodge taxes now, wait till hillary's tax plans are implemented. You can bet your ass I'm not paying 45% taxes and will find a way around it.
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Taxes are overall much lower now than they have been. I'm sure dodging will occur, but I don't see what that would be a new thing. E.g. people dodged them previously when they were higher too. The key is to make thing nice and simple and straightforward so there are no loopholes to dodge through.
If actually you're facing 45% you must be making a hell of a lot more scratch than you let on, thats only the way upper crust grouping
 
RatLabGuy said:
Taxes are overall much lower now than they have been.
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That's not true. They're lower for some people.

The tax burden on the top 20% has increased from 65% in the 80s to 90% in 2010.

The tax burden on the bottom 20% has gone down accordingly.

With tax credits factored in, the bottom half of earners pay no federal income tax.
 
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EdJonesJeeper said:
@shawn Please show where tax brackets are 90%


2016 Tax Brackets

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I'm assuming what he meant was the % of the total tax burden paid.
E.g. the higher folks now pay 90% of the total amount paid in.
So you have a few people paying (in theory) a lot more to make up for the fact that the lower folks are paying very little (or nothing).
But that wasn't what I said... I was referring to what you posted above
 
Brings us full circle...

All you've proved is that more super wealthy people are now paying more of our tax "burden" with a lower tax rate than what was in the 80's.

So we have the wealthiest economy and more super wealthy people than ever before.


PS that's a good thing.


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I dont give a shit what the tax burden % is for the different income levels. All i care about is how much more money Hillary is going to take out of my pocket.
 
drkelly said:
I dont give a shit what the tax burden % is for the different income levels. All i care about is how much more money Hillary is going to take out of my pocket.
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My point to Rob was that unless you're making serious bank, it shouldn't be any more.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I'm assuming what he meant was the % of the total tax burden paid.
E.g. the higher folks now pay 90% of the total amount paid in.
So you have a few people paying (in theory) a lot more to make up for the fact that the lower folks are paying very little (or nothing).
But that wasn't what I said... I was referring to what you posted above
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But that chart is bullshit. It's the nominal tax rate, not the rate that anyone actually paid. It doesn't take into account deductions, credits, direct payments, or anything else.

Tax revenues as a percentage of GDP haven't changed in 50 years. So the question then becomes who is paying those taxes? Are they paying more or less than they paid before? I posted the correct answer a few hours ago.
 
RatLabGuy said:
My point to Rob was that unless you're making serious bank, it shouldn't be any more.
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Simple math says that if you're making over $150k a year, she's going to take half. If you have anything left when you die, she's going to take half of that.
 
For me it's an issue of what she has done vs what he has said
For me it's about who would be the president, should who ever wins, should fall
For me it's about who would be sitting on the seats of the supreme court.
For me, it's clear.
No not my first choice, but
For me at this point, the only choice.
 
RatLabGuy said:
My point to Rob was that unless you're making serious bank, it shouldn't be any more.
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I've researched Hillary's tax proposals before. I don't think any major changes will get passed by congress anyway, so it is just a bunch of internet discussion.
 
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