Fuel Prices report

PAT Ventures said:
Would butanol save us? Last time I looked it was cheaper to make than gasoline and contained about the same energy. Butanol can be blended to any percentage or used straight.
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I don't know anything about butanol. From a quick search it's an alcohol and from what I understand engines don't like that.
 
RatLabGuy said:
FYI those insurance "driving behavior" boxes usually don't have location, only an IMU to measure acceleration, speed etc.
And phones don't address the issue bc you may or may not be in your own car.
But I do agree with the sentiment that people are already giving up an awful lot of privacy info, and it isn't a stretch... but I'm pretty sure it remains a bridge too far for most of us here.
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I agree, but they just put it in the fine print and dont tell anyone. Think of smart phones in general, where they can track you whether "location" is turned on or not. OnStar or similar services in the vehicle, if you integrate some other "feature" into it, people will be glad to pay the monthly fee. For instance, if in a time like now, OnStar said they partnered with Fuelly or similar and could always keep you upto date on the cheapest gas along you're route. There are people that would pay something monthly for this service, because people are short-sided and love to pay for convenience.
 
@ghost
en.wikipedia.org

Butanol fuel - Wikipedia

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Butanol may be used as a fuel in an internal combustion engine. It is more similar to gasoline than it is to ethanol. A C4-hydrocarbon, butanol is a drop-in fuel and thus works in vehicles designed for use with gasoline without modification.[1] Both n-butanol and isobutanol have been studied as possible fuels.

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Biobutanol

afdc.energy.gov

Benefits​

Biobutanol is an alternative to conventional transportation fuels. The benefits of biobutanol include:

  • Higher energy content—Biobutanol's energy content is relatively high among gasoline alternatives. However, biobutanol's energy density is 10%–20% lower than gasoline's energy density.
  • Lower Reid vapor pressure—When compared with ethanol, biobutanol has a lower vapor pressure, which means lower volatility and evaporative emissions.
  • Increased energy security—Biobutanol can be produced domestically from a variety of feedstocks, while creating U.S. jobs.
  • Fewer emissions—Fewer emissions are generated with the use of biobutanol compared with petroleum fuels. Carbon dioxide captured by growing feedstocks reduces overall greenhouse gas emissions by balancing carbon dioxide released from burning biobutanol.
  • More transport options—Biobutanol is immiscible with water, meaning that it may be able to be transported in pipelines to reduce transport costs.
There's more......
 
PAT Ventures said:
@ghost
en.wikipedia.org

Butanol fuel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Butanol may be used as a fuel in an internal combustion engine. It is more similar to gasoline than it is to ethanol. A C4-hydrocarbon, butanol is a drop-in fuel and thus works in vehicles designed for use with gasoline without modification.[1] Both n-butanol and isobutanol have been studied as possible fuels.

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Biobutanol

afdc.energy.gov

Benefits​

Biobutanol is an alternative to conventional transportation fuels. The benefits of biobutanol include:

  • Higher energy content—Biobutanol's energy content is relatively high among gasoline alternatives. However, biobutanol's energy density is 10%–20% lower than gasoline's energy density.
  • Lower Reid vapor pressure—When compared with ethanol, biobutanol has a lower vapor pressure, which means lower volatility and evaporative emissions.
  • Increased energy security—Biobutanol can be produced domestically from a variety of feedstocks, while creating U.S. jobs.
  • Fewer emissions—Fewer emissions are generated with the use of biobutanol compared with petroleum fuels. Carbon dioxide captured by growing feedstocks reduces overall greenhouse gas emissions by balancing carbon dioxide released from burning biobutanol.
  • More transport options—Biobutanol is immiscible with water, meaning that it may be able to be transported in pipelines to reduce transport costs.
There's more......
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Interesting stuff. I'm not familiar with it. I have seen some references to bio fuels in the algae oil info I have watched. The claim is the algae is quicker and less impact on grain supplies.
 
Down in Tampa now. Price for regular is 4.19-4.39, diesel is 5.09-5.19. Yesterday at Miami Beach I saw regular for 4.99/gal o_O
 
Reg 87 $4.49 and diesel $5.29 out in the greater Stanley-Dallas metro area this afternoon. When will it stop?
 
Andy J. said:
NEVER! They will force us all into electric cars first.
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At least those are free. Thanks goodness we have the government to look out for us!
 
Lolz
 

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Checks to see if this thread is in the garage... Soo

I guess i allegedly know a friend that is wondering what bulk offroad is currently being delivered for? Might have to inquire
 
So unless I missed it, $4.19 is the highest around for reg?
 
The small local gas station near me was at $3.99 for 87 on Tuesday afternoon. By Wednesday morning they were at $4.09 and by Wednesday afternoon they were at $4.19. I’ll see if the trend continues this morning.
 
www.reuters.com

Oil prices fall most in 2 years as UAE supports output hike

Global oil prices fell on Wednesday by the most in nearly two years after OPEC member the United Arab Emirates said it supported pumping more oilinto a market roiled by supply disruptions due to sanctions on Russia after it invaded Ukraine.
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at some point the oil rich companies don't want gas prices to rise too much as it will push people into more electric cars, maybe they found the tipping point? Maybe it was just something else.

www.cnn.com

House passes ban on Russian oil, gas and coal

The House voted with a wide bipartisan majority Wednesday to pass a ban on importing Russian oil, natural gas and coal into the United States.
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Price check this morning during my drive:
Regular 87 = $4.20
Diesel = $5.00-$5.50
Non ethanol = $5.50
 
drkelly said:
Price check this morning during my drive:
Regular 87 = $4.20
Diesel = $5.00-$5.50
Non ethanol = $5.50
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Tuesday, right after the Russian ban was announced, regular 87 was $3.99 and non-ethanol was $4.24. What a deal!
 
I’m going to go ahead and fill the truck before we leave for the weekend in case it jumps over the next few days 😕

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The cheapest regular all over Mount Airy is 4.19
 
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Heard a funny quote on one of the podcast things talking about being sick of people talking about gas prices and complaining.

If you drive a 2020+ 1500 truck that you are paying 750/month for, gas prices aren't you problem, you are the problem over extending yourself. You see so many people driving cars/trucks that they have to be paying 1,000 a month for, but they are bitching about the extra 100 bucks in fuel it may cost a month.
 
DSM Turbos said:
Heard a funny quote on one of the podcast things talking about being sick of people talking about gas prices and complaining.

If you drive a 2020+ 1500 truck that you are paying 750/month for, gas prices aren't you problem, you are the problem over extending yourself. You see so many people driving cars/trucks that they have to be paying 1,000 a month for, but they are bitching about the extra 100 bucks in fuel it may cost a month.
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This is certainly part of the equation, but if you're driving that truck 20k miles a year, at 15mpg, at $2.50/gallon, thats $278/month, or about 1/3 of the truck payment. At $5/gal, that suddenly becomes $556 a month, which is starting to approach the actual cost of the payment.
 
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