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Can any of you smart folks figure out what I need to use to clean out my sprayer with after I put this stuff down? I can't find anything. Water or acetone?

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awheelterd said:
Can any of you smart folks figure out what I need to use to clean out my sprayer with after I put this stuff down? I can't find anything. Water or acetone?

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Cure & Seal 25 - SpecChem

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Go buy a cheap spray one and done.
 
awheelterd said:
Can any of you smart folks figure out what I need to use to clean out my sprayer with after I put this stuff down? I can't find anything. Water or acetone?

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Cure & Seal 25 - SpecChem

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Mek would my choice, but acetone should work fine. Definitely not water
 
Bumping this up again. Interested in what others are seeing for cost now.

I had a 30x40 pole barn style building with 10x40 lean to down one side built around 2018. Almost immediately realized it wasn't big enough (I know it never will be) and have always talked about adding on to it. Got the guy that built it to quote removing the rear wall and adding 20-30 ft to it, including the lean to. He warned me when he came over to look at the grade etc before he got started on the quote that prices had went up significantly since COVID which I knew and have heard.
Got the quote today and was a bit of a sticker shock but wondering if the 3x materials prices that he is claiming is what everyone else in the market has seen.
He will be removing the rear wall and garage door (hopefully reusing the metal and purlins, can't reuse the 6x6 post that are in the ground i'd assume) and essentially just adding 20-30ft and reinstalling the rear wall and door.
He came in at 27,500 for 20ft and 36,500 for adding 30ft. Both quotes included concrete. The lean to doesn't have concrete so it's just a 20x30 or 30x30 concrete slab being added.

I think I only paid 32k for the building and concrete when I originally built it and it included concrete that went from the driveway to the shop, probably an additional 20ft. Am I wrong for struggling with a quote for an addition that cost more than the whole building was?
 
Silverado_Express said:
Bumping this up again. Interested in what others are seeing for cost now.

I had a 30x40 pole barn style building with 10x40 lean to down one side built around 2018. Almost immediately realized it wasn't big enough (I know it never will be) and have always talked about adding on to it. Got the guy that built it to quote removing the rear wall and adding 20-30 ft to it, including the lean to. He warned me when he came over to look at the grade etc before he got started on the quote that prices had went up significantly since COVID which I knew and have heard.
Got the quote today and was a bit of a sticker shock but wondering if the 3x materials prices that he is claiming is what everyone else in the market has seen.
He will be removing the rear wall and garage door (hopefully reusing the metal and purlins, can't reuse the 6x6 post that are in the ground i'd assume) and essentially just adding 20-30ft and reinstalling the rear wall and door.
He came in at 27,500 for 20ft and 36,500 for adding 30ft. Both quotes included concrete. The lean to doesn't have concrete so it's just a 20x30 or 30x30 concrete slab being added.

I think I only paid 32k for the building and concrete when I originally built it and it included concrete that went from the driveway to the shop, probably an additional 20ft. Am I wrong for struggling with a quote for an addition that cost more than the whole building was?
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Seems exceptionally high to me, but I’m a cheapskate. The steel has gone up, maybe even doubled, but certainly not tripled. A quick check online shows galvalume at $3/foot. When I built mine in 2014 it was about $1.80/foot.
 
Silverado_Express said:
wondering if the 3x materials prices that he is claiming is what everyone else in the market has seen.
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3x is actually pretty damn good

Silverado_Express said:
Am I wrong for struggling with a quote for an addition that cost more than the whole building was?
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We just got the 2025 pricing books in. And even THEY are running low

Commercial buildings could be built in the $300 sqft range in 2023 but we're now topping the upper $500 sqft. So I can only imagine the pricing on something with absolutely NO margin like yours would be 4 or 5x. Hence why I say 3x sounds GOOD
 
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What about wood and concrete? This is 6x6 post, 2x8 (maybe bigger) trusses, and 2x6 perlins.
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A 6x6x16 was $35 when I built mine, $65 now. 2x6x10 was $6 then, $11 now. Concrete was about $3.50-4sqft then, I think it’s like $8 now but I have no idea on that.
 
Here are R&R Ironworks current sale prices.
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That will give you an idea for materials package cost for standing roof or enclosed.

My 40x80 standing roof kit from R&R is supposed to be delivered tomorrow. So far I've got 3 quotes to install it. First guy was $5/sq.ft and second two were both $6/sq.ft Still waiting on 2 other people to get back to me.
 
Silverado_Express said:
Bumping this up again. Interested in what others are seeing for cost now.

I had a 30x40 pole barn style building with 10x40 lean to down one side built around 2018. Almost immediately realized it wasn't big enough (I know it never will be) and have always talked about adding on to it. Got the guy that built it to quote removing the rear wall and adding 20-30 ft to it, including the lean to. He warned me when he came over to look at the grade etc before he got started on the quote that prices had went up significantly since COVID which I knew and have heard.
Got the quote today and was a bit of a sticker shock but wondering if the 3x materials prices that he is claiming is what everyone else in the market has seen.
He will be removing the rear wall and garage door (hopefully reusing the metal and purlins, can't reuse the 6x6 post that are in the ground i'd assume) and essentially just adding 20-30ft and reinstalling the rear wall and door.
He came in at 27,500 for 20ft and 36,500 for adding 30ft. Both quotes included concrete. The lean to doesn't have concrete so it's just a 20x30 or 30x30 concrete slab being added.

I think I only paid 32k for the building and concrete when I originally built it and it included concrete that went from the driveway to the shop, probably an additional 20ft. Am I wrong for struggling with a quote for an addition that cost more than the whole building was?
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Assuming Moss quoted it?

If so...he hit a homerun on a commercial project and now thinks he can price everything like that one job.

Unfortunately for him that homerun wasn't to true commercial standards and was 30% lower then competition prices so the way I see it, he is now stuck in a weird limbo. Where he's too cheap for commerical red iron work and too high for his long standing bread and butter resi garage work...

But yeah...I'd say he bumped his noggin
 
For a materials price comparison....I built this for my wife's school this year. It was a 20x30. Had around $7k ($2k trusses, $4k for the rest of framing, $1k for shingles) in it for just materials, concrete pad was $4k, and I put it up by the hour when I had time and had the high school carpentry class help roof it.......maybe i should have got them an R&R that was about twice this size 🤫

Also I didn't bury the post, just did 2x2 footer underneath post and anchored them in the concrete. Ive never done an R&R but I don't think I would do an open one without sleeving the post and burying them. This one sturdy but you can tell it's not the same as burying the post.


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ramjo said:
For a materials price comparison....I built this for my wife's school this year. It was a 20x30. Had around $7k ($2k trusses, $4k for the rest of framing, $1k for shingles) in it for just materials, concrete pad was $4k, and I put it up by the hour when I had time and had the high school carpentry class help roof it.......maybe i should have got them an R&R that was about twice this size 🤫

Also I didn't bury the post, just did 2x2 footer underneath post and anchored them in the concrete. Ive never done an R&R but I don't think I would do an open one without sleeving the post and burying them. This one sturdy but you can tell it's not the same as burying the post.


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Roof looks great, but the rest of it looks questionable :flipoff2:
 
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