"Gonna do it right...maybe!!??" Fuller's new XJ build!!!

Jody Treadway said:
Remember a few pages ago I mentioned using at least a HP44 due getting better driveline angles?
Remember that?
By using a drivers drop HP diff you will get the following:
Better driveline angles
No need for any exhaust mods
Plenty of room when/if you a 231/300 doubler. You do know how tight the front driveshaft will get to the starter with a pass drop diff and a doubler? I do...
Can reuse NP231 case
More gear strength compared to a low pinion
There's plenty more buddy.

Ditch that garbage front axle and grab a HP front. It'll make your life so much easier with a better final product.
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Was afraid you'd say that..its in thought for sure..in budget? No lol, finding one ever in my price and geared to match rear? No it would have to match rear 60..why? Cause then add 3:73gears to the already overpriced hp44 ds drop and now we're really above my budget...that right there would be chromolly set almost for my current axle...just a valid point. All your points Jody are VERY valid and true!!! I totally agree!! But, its what I have and as usual, I have more time than money lol, so figured turning the Cs would fix angle issues. Pinion strength not a huge deal as don't plan on ever treating this like the high hp buggies lol so breakage there isn't an issue mostly (plus there everywhere at junk yards lol) and keeping stock gears keeps its stock strength compared to bigger gears. Not arguing with you bud just explaining my end of the situation of practicality and working with what I have to for now. (I'm sure deep down you know me breaking the pinion or outers would be pretty phat chance, shafts yeah but rest of the unit will hold up lest I become completely idiotic with it lol)
 
And I'd like to gain the knowledge of turning the Cs too to add to my know-how list and practicing on my rig is usually where I start lol
 
If you can't find time to do it right, when will you find time to do it again?

A F250 HP44 is no more than $300. Find one with 3.73 gears, they are out there.

You WILL spend more than $300 half-assing the exhaust, tranny cooler lines, etc and STILL have crappy driveline angles.

If you have write it down, do so. You'll see that by beginning with the proper equipment you will save time and money over the course of the project.

As far as the C turning goes, you have 2 options. Either cut the axle tube, sleeve it and weld back together or grind the weld off the C, beat the C off, do a little clean up and weld it on.
Do you have a 220 volt welder? I don't think you do. So you'll need to buy one.

Or just start with a HP drivers drop front diff.
 
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Jody Treadway said:
If you can't find time to do it right, when will you find time to do it again?

A F250 HP44 is no more than $300. Find one with 3.73 gears, they are out there.

You WILL spend more than $300 half-assing the exhaust, tranny cooler lines, etc and STILL have crappy driveline angles.

If you have write it down, do so. You'll see that by beginning with the proper equipment you will save time and money over the course of the project.

As far as the C turning goes, you have 2 options. Either cut the axle tube, sleeve it and weld back together or grind the weld off the C, beat the C off, do a little clean up and weld it on.
Do you have a 220 volt welder? I don't think you do. So you'll need to buy one.

Or just start with a HP drivers drop front diff.
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Plus a hp44 will be radius arms, so u can stay with coils and do it on the cheap. That's about as easy a swap as coils get.

Have u looked for shafts for that axle? I doubt ih used standard length stuff, which means custom shafts, ie $$$$.

Plus you'll have almost $300 in finding a d300 or other case to get psd.

You could also almost have a sd60 with 3.73 for $300. Then u wouldn't need shafts or to rotate.

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paradisePWoffrd said:
Plus a hp44 will be radius arms, so u can stay with coils and do it on the cheap. That's about as easy a swap as coils get.

Have u looked for shafts for that axle? I doubt ih used standard length stuff, which means custom shafts, ie $$$$.

Plus you'll have almost $300 in finding a d300 or other case to get psd.

You could also almost have a sd60 with 3.73 for $300. Then u wouldn't need shafts or to rotate.

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Thanks for the link, definately useful to know :beer:
 
marty79 said:
Thanks for the link, definately useful to know [emoji481]
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This were 05+ axles too so, radius arms or 3 link would be easy. Wouldn't need to upgrade shafts. It is 8x170 so would need to run mismatched wheels or spacers, or redrill one axle to match the other.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
This were 05+ axles too so, radius arms or 3 link would be easy. Wouldn't need to upgrade shafts. It is 8x170 so would need to run mismatched wheels or spacers, or redrill one axle to match the other.
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If I want to go this route and save up, what would I find a leaf sprung front d60 DS drop in...I have everything I need for leaf setup already
 
marty79 said:
If I want to go this route and save up, what would I find a leaf sprung front d60 DS drop in...I have everything I need for leaf setup already
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Most cost effective would be 99-04 sd. But they have a wider perch width, so you would need to outboard the springs vs the d44 u have now.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Most cost effective would be 99-04 sd. But they have a wider perch width, so you would need to outboard the springs vs the d44 u have now.
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Ok I will look into those. Redoing perches is easy for leafs so no biggie there. Guess I'm gonna try and sell this front in meantime and save up for a ds drop 60..thanks guys.(gotta admit thinking about having D60 front and rear would be dream come true rig for me and it appears I'm maybe closer than I think)
 
marty79 said:
Ok I will look into those. Redoing perches is easy for leafs so no biggie there. Guess I'm gonna try and sell this front in meantime and save up for a ds drop 60..thanks guys.(gotta admit thinking about having D60 front and rear would be dream come true rig for me and it appears I'm maybe closer than I think)
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Outboarding the mounts for the top of the leafs on the frame side. The perch is made into the axle I believe on those years

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I think he gave up on the xj. I heard he got a 4cyl tj
 
RHSCTJ said:
I think he gave up on the xj. I heard he got a 4cyl tj
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Hahaha...I would never dare, I'm an Xj fan for life and would never trade the 4.0 for a2.5.

Haven't given up on nothing, just slow build. I got the front welded and new Spicer joints in over the weekend. This week I hope to make the front leaf mounts and mock up the front diff ...next week and on, onto disassembling the transfer case to modify pickup tube, drill new vent hole and cut floor pan on pass side to clear the t-case. Also make new shackle boxes for rear to fix the poor angle. That's the goal for April lol. May will focus on brake lines, driveshaft and gas tank "IN HOPES" to be ready for the May18th open ride.
For several personal reasons I'm sticking with this setup. I will follow the route of advice given down the rd but I was exited with this setup and tires from beginning and really want to see it through. Plus I'm really set on 231 flipped to see it done and work and who knows...might not be as horrible as its thought out to be which could help others who might have wondered also. Either way its a slow build coming along!
 
I've had the front for sale for few weeks too and well, apparently not worth much lol so that kinda moved me to keep and use it.....
 
Btw, this axle being a "hybrid" they call it, for spare axle shafts would full size K5 or Chevy D44s work or am I just screwed if I brake one lol
 
Hey John. I have a 68 I believe International Scout II 345 V8 supposed to just have been built. It has a bad freeze plug. TF-727 and a Dana 20 or 30 can't remember. it's all original drive line in the scout II. It's still in the scout now. It is free to a good home. I will even load it up for you if you bring a trailer. It doesn't have axles under it but I have a bobcat I can pick it up. If your interested let me know. Just trying to help a fellow out.
 
I dunno but this guy may be a buyer for that front axle... @junkxj
 
Crawler Nut said:
Hey John. I have a 68 I believe International Scout II 345 V8 supposed to just have been built. It has a bad freeze plug. TF-727 and a Dana 20 or 30 can't remember. it's all original drive line in the scout II. It's still in the scout now. It is free to a good home. I will even load it up for you if you bring a trailer. It doesn't have axles under it but I have a bobcat I can pick it up. If your interested let me know. Just trying to help a fellow out.
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If he don't want it send me some pictures

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Crawler Nut said:
Hey John. I have a 68 I believe International Scout II 345 V8 supposed to just have been built. It has a bad freeze plug. TF-727 and a Dana 20 or 30 can't remember. it's all original drive line in the scout II. It's still in the scout now. It is free to a good home. I will even load it up for you if you bring a trailer. It doesn't have axles under it but I have a bobcat I can pick it up. If your interested let me know. Just trying to help a fellow out.
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Damn nice offer right here, ^^^^^^ Dustin is the man.
 
Crawler Nut said:
Hey John. I have a 68 I believe International Scout II 345 V8 supposed to just have been built. It has a bad freeze plug. TF-727 and a Dana 20 or 30 can't remember. it's all original drive line in the scout II. It's still in the scout now. It is free to a good home. I will even load it up for you if you bring a trailer. It doesn't have axles under it but I have a bobcat I can pick it up. If your interested let me know. Just trying to help a fellow out.
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Dang I thought u were joking then realize your not. I honestly would but no trailer , tahoe is down w bad trans, and not much room at my place for projects and that's honest truth. Its a really nice thing of you to offer, seriously but just not in a time to do something like that. Thank u very much though!
 
C.Berry said:
I dunno but this guy may be a buyer for that front axle... @junkxj
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Well if he does it needs to be within next 2days I guess lol before I get it mounted up
 
marty79 said:
Dang I thought u were joking then realize your not. I honestly would but no trailer , tahoe is down w bad trans, and not much room at my place for projects and that's honest truth. Its a really nice thing of you to offer, seriously but just not in a time to do something like that. Thank u very much though!
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I will get it to you John. if needed. @Crawler Nut is my club brother and a straight up dude.
He's ugly and smells like ass, but a really good dude...
 
Paul said:
I will get it to you John. if needed. @Crawler Nut is my club brother and a straight up dude.
He's ugly and smells like ass, but a really good dude...
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Oh wow, I'm feeling overwhelmed here (not joking either). Man I really don't think I can fit it though anywhere without having a tractor here to pick it up off trailer and set it in only one spot that wouldn't be in neighbors yard. Can't thank you both enough though ...the Tcase on that is pass drop isn't it? Go figure
 
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