"Gonna do it right...maybe!!??" Fuller's new XJ build!!!

So I know this dude that has a Ford hp44 with the radius arms and he also has all the stuff to convert it to 8 lug.
He would probably let it all go cheap just to get it out of his way.

BUCKEYE PERFORMANCE INC.
828-779-2242
 
NickMaul said:
Lol fuller has contributed zero tech and his thread has more pages than my build thread I have had since 2010.

Maybe I should plan to swap in some IH scout axles and 16.5 wheels :)
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Don't u know yet, that's how Fuller rolls!!
 
swap in some IH scout axles....
Btw, I googled a bunch and these can't be IH axles since they never made 8lug trucks/suvs according to Wikipedia. So I'm pretty convinced they are from old late 70s Chevy truck
 
That axle is dodge at best. Chevy used internal hubs on anything with disc brakes, iirc. Dodge and ih used external hubs.

Dissasembling the outers to the spindle will determine axle make. Ford is 5 bolt, gm/dodge/jeep is 6, ih was 8.

Either way, the offer from buckeye is one id run with. Will make your front axle swap a breeze.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Dissasembling the outers to the spindle will determine axle make. Ford is 5 bolt, gm/dodge/jeep is 6, ih was 8.
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I had it apart yesterday..inside spindle was 8 studs...so it has to be dodge then..IH only made D44s 6lug, no hybrids
I just paid my tahoe bill for new trans so I'm pretty broke now lol and that's only reason I can't go with any other options for while...for now I have most everything I need to make this setup work around here..it is what it is though
 
marty79 said:
I had it apart yesterday..inside spindle was 8 studs...so it has to be dodge then..IH only made D44s 6lug, no hybrids
I just paid my tahoe bill for new trans so I'm pretty broke now lol and that's only reason I can't go with any other options for while...for now I have most everything I need to make this setup work around here..it is what it is though
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Dont believe Wikipedia... IH most definately made 3/4 & 1 ton trucks.

If the spindle used 8 bolts to hold to the knuckle, it is IH. No other make did that. If you are going to keep that axle, I suggest pulling the shafts and measuring their length, so you can try to match up replacements/spares.
 
Pappy said:
Those axles came out of a 70s 3/4 international truck. I think it was a 78 but I could be wrong.
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Yeah what he said along with 4:18ratio but wrong on both..international axles were offset and never made a 3/4ton or that gearing but my fault for not checking..no biggie, gotta be a older Dodge I guess according to
Jody Treadway said:
Have you considered getting the Scout that @Crawler Nut offered to give you and simply fixing it up to wheel?
Seems like the most logical option.
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I did and sucks cause I just cant, no room, no way to unload where I'm at. Don't have the shop and room I had in Boone unfortunately
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Dont believe Wikipedia... IH most definately made 3/4 & 1 ton trucks.

If the spindle used 8 bolts to hold to the knuckle, it is IH. No other make did that. If you are going to keep that axle, I suggest pulling the shafts and measuring their length, so you can try to match up replacements/spares.
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Well that's good to know I guess and dang it, I just had them out for new joints and put back together..isn't it just a full width 44 like other Chevy/dodge
 
marty79 said:
Well that's good to know I guess and dang it, I just had them out for new joints and put back together..isn't it just a full width 44 like other Chevy/dodge
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The chevy dodge ford jeep IH all made 44s and each had different year ranges with different length inner and outers depending on the year I believe similar to the 60s

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paradisePWoffrd said:
you are going to keep that axle, I suggest pulling the shafts and measuring their length, so you can try to match up replacements/spares
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Any other way to measure without taking all that back apart
 
Loganwayne said:
The chevy dodge ford jeep IH all made 44s and each had different year ranges with different length inner and outers depending on the year I believe similar to the 60s

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Well this sucks lol
 
marty79 said:
Any other way to measure without taking all that back apart
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You could pull the cover and try to get a rough measurement from end of splines to ujoint center.

There might be another d44 shaft that is close enough to work.

If not, you can get shafts but they $$ since it's custom length.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
You could pull the cover and try to get a rough measurement from end of splines to ujoint center.

There might be another d44 shaft that is close enough to work.

If not, you can get shafts but they $$ since it's custom length.
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I found this...does it help at all, will keep searching over time thank u...
Dana 60 front (single wheel) ...................69"

GM Dana 60 front (dual rear wheel) ..............77" ; +4" on each side vs single wheel

GM 14 Bolt rear FF (single wheel) ....................67"

GM 14 Bolt rear FF (dual wheel)........................63"

GM 14 Bolt rear SemiF (single wheel) ..............66"

GM Dana 44 Front (single wheel) ..............69"8-lug; 67" 6-lug

GM 10 bolt front (single wheel) ..............69" 8"lug; 67" 6-lug
 
marty79 said:
I found this...does it help at all, will keep searching over time thank u...
Dana 60 front (single wheel) ...................69"

GM Dana 60 front (dual rear wheel) ..............77" ; +4" on each side vs single wheel

GM 14 Bolt rear FF (single wheel) ....................67"

GM 14 Bolt rear FF (dual wheel)........................63"

GM 14 Bolt rear SemiF (single wheel) ..............66"

GM Dana 44 Front (single wheel) ..............69"8-lug; 67" 6-lug

GM 10 bolt front (single wheel) ..............69" 8"lug; 67" 6-lug
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You don't need wms width. Its all about how much they offset the diff.

If you want to find replacement/spare shafts, you need the length of your shafts. If u dont care about that, leave the diff open and hope u don't break.

It is possible that they used similar lengths to chevy/dodge but that axle is rare enough that you won't find info about it. You need to pull the shafts, measure, and count splines on inner & outers.

While you're doing that, take pics so others can confirm what you have/don't have.

Or you can choose one of the upgrade paths that has been presented to you here.

BTW, the perches on that axle should be ~31" apart. If you're want to go sd60 in the future, they are ~38", so you will need to completely build all new frame mounts. You might be ahead to just save up and go sd60, unless you like doing work multiple times.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
You don't need wms width. Its all about how much they offset the diff.

If you want to find replacement/spare shafts, you need the length of your shafts. If u dont care about that, leave the diff open and hope u don't break.

It is possible that they used similar lengths to chevy/dodge but that axle is rare enough that you won't find info about it. You need to pull the shafts, measure, and count splines on inner & outers.

While you're doing that, take pics so others can confirm what you have/don't have.

Or you can choose one of the upgrade paths that has been presented to you here.

BTW, the perches on that axle should be ~31" apart. If you're want to go sd60 in the future, they are ~38", so you will need to completely build all new frame mounts. You might be ahead to just save up and go sd60, unless you like doing work multiple times.
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All right ill try and get those measurement, thank u
 
BUCKEYE PERFORMANCE INC. said:
So I know this dude that has a Ford hp44 with the radius arms and he also has all the stuff to convert it to 8 lug.
He would probably let it all go cheap just to get it out of his way.

BUCKEYE PERFORMANCE INC.
828-779-2242
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So just how cheap?

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From what I remember the shafts for that year international the axle shaft are the same as Chevy Dana 44. But I never took the shafts out to measure. I never even took the diff cover off to check the gear ratio either.
 
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