House build start to finish

[hunterdan]

This is kind of weird....

"get the sheet rock,get the sheet rock..."

 

[hunterdan]

I mentioned this earlier and still could use some advice regarding the basement wrap....

I cleaned off the footers and Builder plans on wrapping the basement with plastic over the brush on rubber sealant. I've had a friend in the business say that many builders don't do that anymore because water gets trapped behind the plastic if it gets cut while backfilling or deteriorates. He claims it was popular during the 80's and 90's but is not needed.
What about that...Plastic or not?

 

[trailhugger]

Anywhere water could potentially get trapped is bad. You definitely don't want to create problems that could be avoided.

 

[shawn]

What about that...Plastic or not?

It sounds like you have a fluid-applied water barrier for the foundation wall. I'm not sure what the "plastic" is, based on your description. If it's just visqueen or similar plastic sheet, I don't see what use it would be. If it's a permeable drainage plane meant to allow water to migrate down to the drain tile, then it's best-practice, and should be installed according to the manufacturer's requirements.

This is kind of weird....

"get the sheet rock,get the sheet rock..."

Better to install the sheetrock than deal with moisture and mold problems caused by air migration. You haven't really elaborated on why you don't want sheetrock, or why you call it "shitrock". If you have specific concerns, you should probably elaborate on them.

 

[Ron]

This is kind of weird....

"get the sheet rock,get the sheet rock..."

It's almost like a fuller thread.
"You need a high steer arm"
Nope, I can just cut and fab and weld and bubblegum and what about hubba bubba vs big league chew

What i suspect is at play is you are falling into the hysteria about sheetrock-> crystallized silicates-> cancer.
Which is valid if you were going to finish sheetrock and inhale the dust 8 hours a day for the next 20 years.

There simply isnt any other reason not to use it. Any other solution will be less effective, more expensive and more likely to fail.

 

[hunterdan]

My builder/grader buddy also said he would not use silt cloth over the gravel at the french drain. He says water gets behind the plastic sheeting on wall and dirt clogs up the drain cloth over time and it can't be changed easily like a cars air/oil...filter. When I thought about it even air filters get really clogged so won't a silt filter get packed pretty quickly? I may decide against the wall plastic and the gravel silt wrap.

As far as sheetrock...I don't like the fact that it is so easily scuffed/damaged and a host for mold. Our old home had sheet rock and there were places where mold popped up and had to be removed. I think it was due to a bad batch of chinese sheet rock that lowes had been selling. I also think it's ugly and ends up needing maintenance for cracks and such too often. I also hate painting and when places need painting from scuffs or dents the paint never matches perfectly. Even if you keep some of the original paint it will eventually breakdown and you'll have a bucket of paint with a layer of mold on top...

In the end we are building this house to minimize size and maintenance. Lower maintenance items like steel roof vs shingles ,wood/tile or vinyl flooring vs carpet, cable on deck rails vs pickets, rock garden/pavers type yard at walkout basement vs grass and wood interior vs sheet rock for durability/style.

 

[Ron]

What these guys are telling you is sheet rock, unfinished but taped covered with wood interior.

All of your complaints about sheet rock are valid. They also ignore it's functfunctional purpose. So install it, don't paint it. Then cover it with your wood.

 

[rockcity]

Wood grows mold as well.

If you can construct correctly to prevent moisture, you are already miles ahead and mold concerns really should be able to be eliminated.

I would not omit the filter cloth. It has a purpose. Otherwise your stone will get packed with silt and you have a useless drain.

We just installed 6600' of french drain and this very discussion came up. Engineers wouldn't wouldn't approve the drawings or install without it. Your situation is a little different since you don't have several PEs designing it but I'd trust a design professional before a grading contractor on the need for the filter cloth

 

[hunterdan]

Yep, just about every video I see they always use the cloth in one way or another.

As far as the air barrier matter;
Just wish there was a way without the extra labor involved with the sheet rock since I'm going to be alone during most of this homes interior finish. Once I have sheet rock ready for the wood I'll be tempted to just finish and paint it, and forget the tongue and groove. I might use foam board, spray in or just sheet rock. Whichever method, I want to do it correctly so thanks for the suggestions and help.

 

[rockcity]

How do you plan to attach the T&G to the foam board or sheet rock or block or whatever with any success?

I'm assuming you are adding batten boards or firring strips or whatever the technical name is?

 

[trailhugger]

How do you plan to attach the T&G to the foam board or sheet rock or block or whatever with any success?

I'm assuming you are adding batten boards or firring strips or whatever the technical name is?

Doesn't have to use furring strips but does have to make sure to secure the T&G through whatever air barrier to the framing. That's one up side to plywood or OSB although I'm not sure the other PITA factors are outweighed by that one.

 

[RatLabGuy]

How do you plan to attach the T&G to the foam board or sheet rock or block or whatever with any success?

I'm assuming you are adding batten boards or firring strips or whatever the technical name is?

What am I missing - why couldn't you just screw/nail whatever through the sheetrock into the studs on which it is hung? You just use 1/2" longer fasteners than if it wasn't there.

 

[rockcity]

What am I missing - why couldn't you just screw/nail whatever through the sheetrock into the studs on which it is hung? You just use 1/2" longer fasteners than if it wasn't there.

You can I guess unless your walls are CMU. Then all you have are simple hat channel...

I don't do any CMU work so I'm asking because I don't know...

I'm guessing just use OSB or plywood instead of drywall so you have something for the nails to attach to for every 6" wide board

I guess it also depends on if you run the T&G vertical or horizontal

 

[hunterdan]

How do you plan to attach the T&G to the foam board or sheet rock or block or whatever with any success?

I'm assuming you are adding batten boards or firring strips or whatever the technical name is?

The basement will be framed on one half. Upstairs will be framed and finished with T&G. The foam board if used would go against the osb between studs and sealed with expanding foam. Insulation would be on top of that and then the T&G.
I could also have it sprayed in and with the 2x6 outer walls that would be enough room for a good R fator. My house is only 26x26+/- so maybe the cost would be reasonable?

 

[hunterdan]

after having the stucco applied to the bottom of the wall we got 2 heavy rains and dirt covered the footer again. I shoveled off the dirt, let it dry and then cleaned out the intersection of the wall and the footer with a combination of broom,brush and pocket knife to remove all the clay and silt. After that I went ahead and re-did a small section that the stucco guy had missed...again.
Looks like sunshine and decent temps this week so hoping to finish sealing the wall and footer,install drain pipe,rock and cloth...vapor barrier and pour slab and wall cells.

 

[hunterdan]

Got everything done and just passed inspection this morning. Concrete today or tomorrow before the rains come Saturday.

 

[hunterdan]

Well.....we passed inspection Wednesday and had the perfect opportunity to pour the slab but the GC I'm working with called last night and said it would be poured Monday.
Too bad Monday is calling for 80% rain and then it looks like 50% every day until the 18th

 

[hunterdan]

Made some progress since last post and things are going much smoother.

 

[braxton357]

Nice. Maybe you'll get a break from the rain some time too.

 

[hunterdan]

recent progress

Wifes also discovered some of her favorite wild edibles....maypops and ground cherries

 

[hunterdan]

some more pics of progress on house and grading. Love the backhoe and money it has saved.

 

[tlucier]

some more pics of progress on house and grading. Love the backhoe and money it has saved.

That's coming along very nicely. I really like it. Beautiful setting too.

 

[hunterdan]

That's coming along very nicely. I really like it. Beautiful setting too.

Thanks...
Were glad to see things getting done. After subs finish roof,siding and windows/doors it will be up to me to finish interior. I'll be starting plumbing and electrical next week and will ad pics as we go....

 

[jeepinmatt]

Thats looking great! What all have you used the backhoe for?

 

[CasterTroy]

What all have you used the backhoe for?

Errthing the front hoe wasn't willing to do