KOH coverage is up.

Thanks for keeping up with our progress. I'll post a report sometime in the next few days on our drive home.
 
Indy Will said:
That's it....I'm winning this race next year. Build starts tomorrow.
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Looking forward to it. Just don't let that Dynomax car get the best of you. Gotta take the reins from him next year.
 
upnover said:
Is it cold? cool or do they think they look good in hoodies? I've seen folks in shorts, guy in a kilt, and lady in short sleeves.
And WTF, why do they call them "cars"
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Well, when you get up in the morning, it's about 20F. It warms up through the day until it gets about 65F or 70F in the middle of the afternoon. But then a cloud comes along or the wind picks up, and it gets chilly again. Then the sun goes down and temps drop quickly back into the 40s.

A hoodie is just about ideal... got a big pocket in front for stashing your hat or a snack, too.

And... they're race cars... or "car" for short... ?
 
Indy Will said:
That's it....I'm winning this race next year. Build starts tomorrow.
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:lol:

I gotta tell you, man... Shannon? Crazy fast. Watched him pass Scherer on Back Door, then again coming back into town. The guy fawking gets it. And Scherer isn't slow by any means.
 
saf-t scissors said:
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I gotta tell you, man... Shannon? Crazy fast. Watched him pass Scherer on Back Door, then again coming back into town. The guy fawking gets it. And Scherer isn't slow by any means.
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He should be fast. He probably has the highest budget of any time racing. Money = fast.
 
Indy Will said:
In this form of racing that's just not true.
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I have to disagree. (Shannon Campbell) The guy had a crane in the remote pits in case they needed to lift the buggy to work on it. My point is that logistics is HUGE and money makes that stuff happen. Anybody can win but your chances improve greatly with all the support the big teams have.
 
That, and a pile of spare transmissions. But, he also races year round and has a lot more time in this car doing what he does than most people do. Not to mention he's just that damn fast.
 
Jeremy1977 said:
I have to disagree. (Shannon Campbell) The guy had a crane in the remote pits in case they needed to lift the buggy to work on it. My point is that logistics is HUGE and money makes that stuff happen. Anybody can win but your chances improve greatly with all the support the big teams have.
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A crane? How's that help you do anything? I've got a shop with a lift and most of the wrenching on a buggy is done on jack stands...?

There isn't that much going on logistics wise in this race...?

Sure there's alot of info to process...but when you stop and think about it there's not much a pit crew can do to help once the race has started.

And it's not like it's a race to get where you need to be for the pit crew. There's usually more than ample time to get there and set up. Sure, things need to happen on schedule. But if you don't slack ass it's usually no problem at all.

That I've seen, Shannon normally doesn't have more than his dad, brothers, and a few friends to help out on the car. They normally show up with a tow rig, rhino, and the race car.

Any additional support at a race like this can usually be had by a guy like Shannon and anyone who is willing to walk up and ask for it.
 
drkelly said:
He should be fast. He probably has the highest budget of any time racing. Money = fast.
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Nah, I have to disagree. Money does not buy success. That's true in any sort of racing (cough, Junior), but it's particularly true out in the dirt.

It might help you be competitive, but it won't get you a spot on the podium.
 
Indy Will said:
That I've seen, Shannon normally doesn't have more than his dad, brothers, and a few friends to help out on the car. They normally show up with a tow rig, rhino, and the race car.
Any additional support at a race like this can usually be had by a guy like Shannon and anyone who is willing to walk up and ask for it.
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He had a little more than that and so did all the other big name sponsers. Bottom line...it takes money and I saw first hand that its not a poor mans game ...but I knew that anyways.Anything can happen though for sure.
This was his setup @ the main pit. It was pretty impressive to say the least. Extra motor,transmission,extra everything!
As far as the pit crew goes...he had a busted front driveshaft and 2 flat tires on the front when he came into the remote pit on lap 2. The pit stop was huge.
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Indy Will said:
In this form of racing that's just not true.
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I heard that just his front suspension costs more than probably half the complete buggies out there.

I just don't see anyone building a buggy in there garage with a grinder, welder, and torch with a budget of $25,000 and beating him.
 
I think its a mix to be honest.
I will say without question that money doesn't buy wins. It certainly buys speed, but can you control that speed?
No one is saying that Shannon can't drive, which is the point I think Will is trying to make, he is certainly a wheel man. However I don't think he is a super elite talent behind the wheel. I bet there were 20 drivers in the field that placed into his rig last Friday would have had the same results. Likewise drop SC in a 25k rig and I bet he doesn't finish where he did either.

I don't see anyone building a $25,000 buggy and passing tech ever again....
 
Ron said:
I don't see anyone building a $25,000 buggy and passing tech ever again....
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curious as to why?

I have read the rules and I do not see this?

please explain, thanks..
 
Jeremy1977 said:
Just got back and what an event! I will post pics when I get time tomorrow.
We tapped out on outer limits but gave it a heck of a try.
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What are the specs of your rig? I saw you couldn't get the buggy finished in time and it looked like you were hitting it with a modded TJ.

  • Wheelbase?
  • Axles?
  • Tires?
  • Weight?
  • Suspension?

Your team and the JKOH team were the two I was trying to follow and oddly enough, I didn't see any pics or updates the whole day...... and I watched for like 8 hours straight!

The only coverage I saw of you guys and team 80 (JKOH) was on Pirate right after you passed tech. The jeep looked sweet!
I followed your tracker until you got to outer limits and guessed that is where you may have broken down.
 
drkelly said:
I heard that just his front suspension costs more than probably half the complete buggies out there.

I just don't see anyone building a buggy in there garage with a grinder, welder, and torch with a budget of $25,000 and beating him.
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I'd say that's possible. It'd be easier with another 5 or 10k. But even then that's a cheap race car in any motorsport.

You'd be shopping around for some uesd go fast parts for a while but it's doable. Hell I'm running a junk yard 14 bolt in the back of the next car probably. If you take the time to tune some 2.5" coilovers that's all you need. With a minimal investment in just an iron block motor you can get 500hp no problem these days. A TH400 to handle it can be built for less than a grand.

Then you just have to have the skills to put it together yourself. Paying someone to do that would kill a budget racer.

The front of that car is every bit of $30k, yes. An equal performing front end could be built for around $15-20k now. His is expensive because it says Pro-Am on it. Their stuff is pricey.

But, you don't need that junk to beat him. You just need to put a car through the beating that he does and have it stay together. He would have posted that same time in the solid axle front car. Jason Schere almost did.

Ron said:
However I don't think he is a super elite talent behind the wheel. I bet there were 20 drivers in the field that placed into his rig last Friday would have had the same results. Likewise drop SC in a 25k rig and I bet he doesn't finish where he did either.
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Disagree.
While I'd like to kick the guys ass on the course I will say that he does things in a car that make you question if you've got what it takes. Especially watching him in XRRA shortcourse.
When you feel like you just pulled off the best run of your life and he stomps it by 10 seconds...it's retarded.

As well...if you put Shannon or another equally qualified driver...say Brad Lovell (which this guy does ridiculous things in a car as well...makes you wanna load up and go home)...in a car that will stay together at the bare minimum (it doesn't have to bomb through the woops) they'd come across the finish in a top 5 no problem.
 
Jeremy1977 said:
He had a little more than that and so did all the other big name sponsers. Bottom line...it takes money and I saw first hand that its not a poor mans game ...but I knew that anyways.Anything can happen though for sure.
This was his setup @ the main pit. It was pretty impressive to say the least. Extra motor,transmission,extra everything!
As far as the pit crew goes...he had a busted front driveshaft and 2 flat tires on the front when he came into the remote pit on lap 2. The pit stop was huge.
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I've known the Campbells for some time. Yes, they've got sponsors, and have nice stuff. But they by no means had the biggest budget out on the lake bed. I'd wager that there were at least several other cars out there that had more money into them.

also....do not forget, the car Shannon won in is 3 years old now. AND, as far as racing w/ $$$$$$, of the fastest, big money, all-out KOH racing teams out there, Shannon is one of the very few that BUILT the car he's racing (and winning) in.

--B
 
I saw him drive in Dayton, and that mf'er can flat out drive, rockcrawl, whatever. I used to think he just had big money and thats why he always won, after seeing him drive in person I changed my mind.
 
Jeremy1977 said:
He had a little more than that and so did all the other big name sponsers. Bottom line...it takes money and I saw first hand that its not a poor mans game ...but I knew that anyways.Anything can happen though for sure.
This was his setup @ the main pit. It was pretty impressive to say the least. Extra motor,transmission,extra everything!
As far as the pit crew goes...he had a busted front driveshaft and 2 flat tires on the front when he came into the remote pit on lap 2. The pit stop was huge.
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that pic says nothing. i was pitting with travis and we had 20 to 30 people just hanging around the pits most of the time. people would just walk around and hang out not help
 
Indy Will said:
Disagree.
While I'd like to kick the guys ass on the course I will say that he does things in a car that make you question if you've got what it takes. Especially watching him in XRRA shortcourse.
When you feel like you just pulled off the best run of your life and he stomps it by 10 seconds...it's retarded.
As well...if you put Shannon or another equally qualified driver...say Brad Lovell (which this guy does ridiculous things in a car as well...makes you wanna load up and go home)...in a car that will stay together at the bare minimum (it doesn't have to bomb through the woops) they'd come across the finish in a top 5 no problem.
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I'll say this. I will efinitely defer to yur opinion here. You have been there and tried it, I havent. You have raced alongside the guy, I haven't. My opinion has no value on the subjet compared to yours.
Doesn't change how I feel, but I certinly am open that I may be flat out wrong.
 
It takes talent AND a big budget to consistantly be in the front....That didn't use to be the case in this type racing (or any type racing in it's infancy) but it is now, period. You can get to be a great driver but at some point you're going to need $$$$ to run in the front. If you ain't got both you're what they call "filler".
My biz partner ordered a new Barry Wright dirt car chassis and new motor becuase his 2 year old one wasn't getting it done anymore. !5 years ago he could run the car many seasons and stay in the front..new technology cost $$$$$ and the faster the sport grows the faster the technology. It's rich mans racing and I figured out awhile back, I ain't rich!
 
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