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jeepinmatt said:
Sorry about your trailer. I hope you catch the thieves! :flipoff2:
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You mean this trailer? I found it!
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braxton357 said:
Do you by chance watch Essential Craftsman on youtube?

I bought the same saw a week or two ago.
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Yep, found him because I bought the saw, and googled it afterwards. I'm following his new house build....interesting.
 
frankenyoter said:
Worm drive separates the men from the boys and the hobbist from the professional in circular saw terms.
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My hobby saw is a Festool TS 55, same as many professionals around the world. ;)

But, I don't have any need for a worm drive saw, and neither do many professionals around the world. Just playing devil's advocate. :D


Worm drive saws are pretty cool though. If I do cement board panels for our house siding (not fiber cement, very different product), I'm getting a worm drive saw because it's the only thing powerful enough to cut it with any sort of decent feed rate.
 
CasterTroy said:
This
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Deflection.....best I recall none is allowed after unloading. We used to replace the rungs in them, had the swagde (spelling) them in. Turned some down because the heat indicator sticker was turned. Been to hot.

And them bitches are heavy......
 
mbalbritton said:
How do you know that the 500# test didn't damage/stress something during the test and it won't hold 200# on the next go round?
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CasterTroy said:
This
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As I know it, it's rated for a certain weight that we test to, but it's designed to hold way more than we test it for. We also test it horizontally at the rating, but when it's angled for us to climb, it doesn't see as much deflection. And as @WARRIORWELDING says, it has to return to how it was. I'm not super knowledgeable on the specifics of the testing, I was just one of the 5 guys that it took to get that heavy ass ladder off of the top of our rescue truck :shaking:
 
mbalbritton said:
How do you know that the 500# test didn't damage/stress something during the test and it won't hold 200# on the next go round?
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In short, you don't. Not definitively anyway. But the ladders are inspected before and after the test, and are supposed to be inspected after each use and monthly (yes I know in a volunteer department this isn't exactly a reality, but still.) Just like with hose testing, or any other testing for that matter. Hose is tested to 300 psi for 3in or smaller, 200psi for 4in or larger. I have tested hose on Monday and it pass, then use it on Tuesday at a fire and it develop bumps/pinholes.

Here is an older standard for ladder testing for anyone who cares that much. I don't think it changed much in the latest update.

Duane
 
GotWood said:
Ladder testing the 35' with 500#'s

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WARRIORWELDING said:
Deflection.....best I recall none is allowed after unloading. We used to replace the rungs in them, had the swagde (spelling) them in. Turned some down because the heat indicator sticker was turned. Been to hot.

And them bitches are heavy......
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My old Department had a Bangor Ladder, for many years. That's Heavy. Supposed to have 4 people to raise/lower it, but 2 Carefully & Trained Men, could do if need be. We practiced with it, but doubt it was ever used more than once on a real fire.
 
I was a FF back in the dark ages. '81 to '85. Training and standards have come a long way since then. Not too many years ago, a friend tried to get me to join up here. I looked into it....but geez, the training requirements, and just the rules and regulations are horrendous now. Heck, if we made the station, we rode tailboard. We did training every Wednesday night, and ran evolutions every Saturday, and I went off to a handful of weekend training events, but there wasn't back then a real emphasis on training, certification, testing, testing, testing like now.

BUT...the question is...with all the new rules, regulations, training, etc...how has the firefighter death/injury rate changed over the last 35 years? I ask, because I read some article that said rates were basically flat, no significant change. But there were no statistics quoted to back that up. Anybody got numbers?
 
frankenyoter said:
Worm drive separates the men from the boys and the hobbist from the professional in circular saw terms.
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And as I say....California got ONE thing right!
 
kaiser715 said:
I was a FF back in the dark ages. '81 to '85. Training and standards have come a long way since then. Not too many years ago, a friend tried to get me to join up here. I looked into it....but geez, the training requirements, and just the rules and regulations are horrendous now. Heck, if we made the station, we rode tailboard. We did training every Wednesday night, and ran evolutions every Saturday, and I went off to a handful of weekend training events, but there wasn't back then a real emphasis on training, certification, testing, testing, testing like now.

BUT...the question is...with all the new rules, regulations, training, etc...how has the firefighter death/injury rate changed over the last 35 years? I ask, because I read some article that said rates were basically flat, no significant change. But there were no statistics quoted to back that up. Anybody got numbers?
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Requirements to be a fire fighter are ridiculous now. 240 hours of FF training, then 160 hours EMT. And that's just the basics. It is very hard for a volunteer to manage anymore. As for injuries/deaths it has been a pretty flat line, averaging around 100 per year save for 2001. But there are more fire fighters than ever, doing even more stuff, so to keep the total injuries and particularly deaths at a flat rate is pretty good. When my dad joined in 85 the department ran about 20 calls a year, and that was only fires of some type. Now we respond to around 700 calls a year at my volunteer dept for EMS, MVA's, various rescue (high/low angle, confined space, water, extrication) and hazmat, all in addition to fires, and those numbers are only going up. My career dept responded to 1600 calls last year.

NIOSH Fire Fighter Fatality Map
Firefighter fatalities in the United States
NFPA statistics - Firefighter deaths by cause and nature of injury

Those links were on the first page of a google search. If you really want some more info I can find all sorts of stuff for you.

Duane
 
braxton357 said:
Do you by chance watch Essential Craftsman on youtube?

I bought the same saw a week or two ago.
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damnit.... now im hooked on another damn youtube channel.....
 
CLRracer said:
Requirements to be a fire fighter are ridiculous now. 240 hours of FF training, then 160 hours EMT. And that's just the basics. It is very hard for a volunteer to manage anymore. As for injuries/deaths it has been a pretty flat line, averaging around 100 per year save for 2001. But there are more fire fighters than ever, doing even more stuff, so to keep the total injuries and particularly deaths at a flat rate is pretty good. When my dad joined in 85 the department ran about 20 calls a year, and that was only fires of some type. Now we respond to around 700 calls a year at my volunteer dept for EMS, MVA's, various rescue (high/low angle, confined space, water, extrication) and hazmat, all in addition to fires, and those numbers are only going up. My career dept responded to 1600 calls last year.

NIOSH Fire Fighter Fatality Map
Firefighter fatalities in the United States
NFPA statistics - Firefighter deaths by cause and nature of injury

Those links were on the first page of a google search. If you really want some more info I can find all sorts of stuff for you.

Duane
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And a lot of departments suffer from very low volunteer rates............you can thank insurance and politics.
 
CLRracer said:
the ladders are inspected before and after the test
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First off...I have no knowledge of ladder testing....nor fire fighting. I KNOW several...but that doesn't qualify me as jack shit other than being around firefighters occasionally.

Second....not trying to be some internet know-it-all who gets off on questioning the knowledge of others.

Having said that....just curious how they're inspected.
X-ray?
Visual?
Jim-Bob; the oldest and wisest in the firehouse gives her a once over and say's it's good enough to let @BigClay climb up it next time to save that cat?

ASME insures it's good when you GET it....does NFPA have a guideline for maintaining ladders?
Have any of you that's done these tests ever witnessed a ladder that was at the END of it's lifecycle? What was the determining factor? Deflection? Failure to retain memory?

Again...just curious and think this is pretty interesting. Not trying to enter some swinging dick, big word internet battle.
 
CasterTroy said:
does NFPA have a guideline for maintaining ladders?
Have any of you that's done these tests ever witnessed a ladder that was at the END of it's lifecycle? What was the determining factor? Deflection? Failure to retain memory?
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Only thing I remember from my inspection training in a manufacturing environment was trying not to laugh uncontrollably because the instructor kept saying things like 'Duty cycle' and 'duty rating', etc etc. Yes, I may be 31, but I have a sense of humor of a 4 year old.
 
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