What happened in that van?

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Nat guard is on the way.
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yeah I was in a meeting w a guy that got a call about it.

wtf is wrong with people, cutting firehoses etc. basically the fire/rescue had to evac b/c people were throwing rocks at them.
Its the only thing on TV... all schools in Balt city cancelled through Thurs, even in our county which is next door, they have cancelled any busses going to or from teh city through the end of the week.

Hahaha Governor just said, "This is the worst thing I've ever seen as Governor". Dipshit just started in Jan....
 
While i disagree with the methods, i understand why they are protesting.
@Dylan W.
;)
 
RenegadeT said:
Fawk the negro thugs destroying Baltimore, there's still hockey playoffs on TV #whitethugs
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They cancelled the Orioles game tonight.
Talk about REALLY pissing people off.
 
RenegadeT said:
Fawk the negro thugs destroying Baltimore, there's still hockey playoffs on TV #whitethugs
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Amen.... even though my Wings lost..... maybe Wednesday they will take Tampa Bay.... Hopefully the Tampa Bay police doesn't kill someone in custody between now and then.....
 
redneckcj5guy said:
While i disagree with the methods, i understand why they are protesting.
@Dylan W.

;)
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I agree and support protesting. Stealing and Destroying isnt protesting.

And just for perspective, NOT THAT IT EXCUSES ANYTHING:

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
 
wtf. Mayor just announced "Curfew in effect from 10-5... starting tomorrow." Ok ok so we'll just let them have tonight, just don't do it again....
 
redneckcj5guy said:
While i disagree with the methods, i understand why they are protesting.
@Dylan W.
;)
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Check that...I also understand the protest ...those peaceful protest were for Freddy gray.

What we are seeing with this shit and looting..that's just ignorant, disrespectful panty waste taking advantage of the situation.

The mayor has no balls ( litterally) she has waited too long to act. She will take heat. She should step down. She didn't yell Charge! She said stand down. She is a sympathizer to the " frustrated youth" It's now 10 pm. I still see no ass kicking and name taking by the majority of law enforcement.

Anyways...None of these fools probably give a damn bout Freddy Gray.
 
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Ron said:
I agree and support protesting. Stealing and Destroying isnt protesting.

And just for perspective, NOT THAT IT EXCUSES ANYTHING:

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
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Is all this on Freddy Gray's record? If so....sounds like the d/a should be fired too...lol
 
Ron said:
And Kudos to Robert Valentine Vietnam Veteran.
Standing between the police line and the community, we need more of him.
Greatest Generation.
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The punk ass kids that he was standing against needed their asses stomped in the streets.

Valentine is an American. Not black white red or blue. Just an American. A soldier.

That was cool.
 
Dylan W. said:
Stupidity ranks high. Mayor needs an example made of her dumb ass.
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Sad thing is, she's the replacement after the previous mayor was busted for steeling donations intended for charities.
 
Ron said:
I agree and support protesting. Stealing and Destroying isnt protesting.

And just for perspective, NOT THAT IT EXCUSES ANYTHING:

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
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As stated in post 103, i do not agree with the methods of protest.
But the victim is not on trial, the "Authorities" are.
 
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I think ol homeboy should absolutely been locked up, thereby preventing this entire thing happening, because of him.

But regardless of his priors, he was tortured, beaten, and brutally murdered.

That is the issue here. Not what he had previously done. As stated above, that fault lies on the DA that refuses to lock assholes like that away.
 
redneckcj5guy said:
As stated in post 103, i do not agree with the methods of protest.
But the victim is not on trial, the "Authorities" are.
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Herein lies the problem..... he WAS on trial..... like 20 times.

Baltimore needs a DA with some balls. You see the same guy getting arrested that many times in that short a period of time and I'd stop charging him with crimes and start charging him rent.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Herein lies the problem..... he WAS on trial..... like 20 times.

Baltimore needs a DA with some balls. You see the same guy getting arrested that many times in that short a period of time and I'd stop charging him with crimes and start charging him rent.
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No, that is not the problem. That is a separate problem.

The problem is that his life violently ended, likely at the hands of another.

Likely by the police, or at least under the responsibility of the police.

Period.
 
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tkeaton said:
No, that is not the problem. That is a separate problem.

The problem is that he was violently murdered.

By the police.

Period.
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Proof? Jesus Christ, lets crucify everyone with a badge without due process.

Don't you belong in Baltimore not TN
 
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When did I ever say anything about blaming all cops? I just can't quite figure out how a person's past criminal actions directly gave cause for his violent death.

Now, make sure your reading comprehension is turned on: I am all for cleaning out the vermin from this earth. If you are a drain on society, well, maybe you don't need to be a part of society. Maybe the cops recognized that this lowlife was out on the streets and maybe they had picked him up a few times before. And maybe they thought they had enough of his shit that they were going to fuck with him for fucking-with-him's sake. Fine.

But the back of a police van is not a jury of his peers. It is not an executioner's block. It is not the place to take out your long-standing frustrations with making life choices that led to becoming a police officer.

All that is known is:

-he was alive before the interaction with the fuzz
-he was alive (and likely in significant pain) as he was put into police custody and in the police van
-he is now dead, with SIGNIFICANTLY brutal injuries
-there is no evidence showing that his fatal injuries were sustained by any other means than at the hands (interpret however you'd like) of the police
 
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Dylan W. said:
Is all this on Freddy Gray's record? If so....sounds like the d/a should be fired too...lol
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ManglerYJ said:
Herein lies the problem..... he WAS on trial..... like 20 times.

Baltimore needs a DA with some balls. You see the same guy getting arrested that many times in that short a period of time and I'd stop charging him with crimes and start charging him rent.
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They were likely all jury trials. Thanks to CSI, juries now want fingerprints and DNA on everything to convict. Unless he gets on the stand you cannot bring up priors.
 
tkeaton said:
No, that is not the problem. That is a separate problem.

The problem is that he was violently murdered.

By the police.

Period.
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Between 8:59 and 9:24 of that fateful journey, they picked up another suspect and placed them in the van with Freddie Gray. They haven't released his name because he may be a witness or a suspect. But one perp killing another perp in the back of a police van doesn't make good headlines. Heck, it barely would make a headline near the classified ads.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
They were likely all jury trials. Thanks to CSI, juries now want fingerprints and DNA on everything to convict. Unless he gets on the stand you cannot bring up priors.
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No.... they were likely plea bargains to get them off the DA's desk. That's why when someone called out to him that the police were there, they referred to it as "Time Out".
 
tkeaton said:
No, that is not the problem. That is a separate problem.

The problem is that he was violently murdered.

By the police.

Period.
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Um, no.
"Murder" requires premeditation.
There is absolutely no evidence, anywhere, that any police intended to murder kill him. It's not even clear that they intended to harm him at all. To date, just a bunch of conjecture, because the evidence has not been released yet.
You're jumping to conclusions just as badly as the people you're bitching at.
It's just as possible that the only "crime" committed here is that the LEO(s) didn't buckle him in.
then a car, pedestrian, whatever cut off the paddy wagon and they had to hit the brakes, sending him against the cage.
Or maybe the other criminal did something.
Unknown - because we don't have the evidence yet.

Now, clearly where the BPD has fucked up, is by being SO tight-lipped about what they know. My feeling (and this is just my conjecture) is that they learned a lesson from the Ferguson PD about letting out too muc, too early, and have gone too far the other way.
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
They were likely all jury trials. Thanks to CSI, juries now want fingerprints and DNA on everything to convict. Unless he gets on the stand you cannot bring up priors.
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pssst - little secret - the vast majority of charges are tried by a judge, not a jury.
and as mentioned, these are most likely plea deals anyway.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Um, no.
"Murder" requires premeditation.
There is absolutely no evidence, anywhere, that any police intended to murder kill him. It's not even clear that they intended to harm him at all. To date, just a bunch of conjecture, because the evidence has not been released yet.
You're jumping to conclusions just as badly as the people you're bitching at.
It's just as possible that the only "crime" committed here is that the LEO(s) didn't buckle him in.
then a car, pedestrian, whatever cut off the paddy wagon and they had to hit the brakes, sending him against the cage.
Or maybe the other criminal did something.
Unknown - because we don't have the evidence yet.

Now, clearly where the BPD has fucked up, is by being SO tight-lipped about what they know. My feeling (and this is just my conjecture) is that they learned a lesson from the Ferguson PD about letting out too muc, too early, and have gone too far the other way.
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Second degree murder doesn't require premeditation. "a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from first degree murder, which is a premeditated, intentional killing or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape or armed robbery."

BUT.... here's the thing. It's not illegal to not restrain him in a seatbelt in the rear of the van. It is department POLICY however. BIG difference. If it was "illegal" for him to be in the rear of the van without a seatbelt, then it's illegal for millions of children to be unrestrained in the backs of school buses every day.

I had to sit in the back of an Ohio State Trooper's car after an accident last year while he filled out the report. It was the most uncomfortable half hour of my life. The rear seat was replaced with a piece of hard plastic with no restraints at all. My knees were mashed up against the bulkhead because of the way the "seat" was designed. It reinforced my desire to NEVER sit in the back of a police car again (i.e. don't commit crimes).
 
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