The future of cars

RatLabGuy said:
At least its spread across 20 companies. For now... until half of them flop and half of the remainder get bought out because the biggest kicks back the most to the most willing politicians who walk anything and everything through legislation to further their bottom line and make it the biggest.
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My .02….
 
jeepinmatt said:
I've been thinking about this 4 or 5 years now, but what are they gonna do with all the old batteries when they die?
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What are they doing with all the car batteries now? I assume recycle the lead and anything they can.
orange150 said:
I’m not gonna lie, if I had the cash I would buy an electric car. For a city A-B car they’re pretty great. Or the teslas and ioniqs I’ve been in were. Maybe I’m being tainted by city life. I dunno.
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I see no practical use for me. My commute to the office is 40 min. Fortunatly I don't have to go in every day now days.
Bebop said:
Yes. Yes you are.
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I agree.

My .02 is that what I've seen form a few companies is that hydrogen is the better answer. The problem is infrastructure.
 
I'd personally love one for our around town car.

I work from home, my GF's commute is probably 10 miles each way. For us they would work perfect for around town. The Ioniqs I agree are pretty decent @orange150. I wouldn't spend the money on a tesla personally.

We have other cars like the Jeep and my truck when we go out of town, because normally we are going to the beach or the mountains or towing something.

We will probably get one when our kid takes gets to driving age and one of our cars is likely handed down to them (2 more years)
 
ghost said:
My .02 is that what I've seen form a few companies is that hydrogen is the better answer. The problem is infrastructure.
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Infrastructure is the first problem, Hydrogen reformation and distribution requires all new infrastructure that no one wants to build without some kind of guarantee of an actual market. Electric for batteries is already available at end points, it's just too damn slow to get the energy into a BEV.

Currently, Hydrogen vehicles aren't all that green, either, since most reformation is done using water and methane gas, with the methane gas not being easily renewable and the processes in use producing fair amounts of C02 and Nitrogen emmisions.

Finally, if we actually did make a sudden flip to Hydrogen Fuel cells, nobody seems to be considering what happens when we suddenly take literally trillions of gallons of fresh water out of the eco system, and then relocate it slowly to where all these cars are actually running, exhausting it as the byproduct of recombining hydrogen and oxygen. Water Vapor is already earth's primary greenhouse gas....
 
ghost said:
What are they doing with all the car batteries now? I assume recycle the lead and anything they can.
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I think it is easier to neutralize the acid than deal with the lithium, so that will be the bigger challenge. The metals and plastics aren't the issue.
 
orange150 said:
I’m not gonna lie, if I had the cash I would buy an electric car. For a city A-B car they’re pretty great. Or the teslas and ioniqs I’ve been in were. Maybe I’m being tainted by city life. I dunno.
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Me too. I'm not going to sell my car and switch, but later when its time I'll seriously consider it, or if I have extra cash and a spontaneous extra parking space, why not. I would not have it as my only car in the family.
I don't need or want anything fancy with automatic self driving stuff. I want something that goes where I point it quickly when I mash the gas, er,"go" pedal.

I'll get one because
1 - they can go really fast and are fun
2 - less maintenance to worry about
3 - there could be some cost savings

In that order of priorities
 
ghost said:
I see no practical use for me. My commute to the office is 40 min. Fortunatly I don't have to go in every day now days.
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I'm guessing - 30-something miles?
Unless you got a pretty shitty one you could go to work and back multiple times on a charge.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I'm guessing - 30-something miles?
Unless you got a pretty shitty one you could go to work and back multiple times on a charge.
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Yes very true. I'm just not interested in them. Until they get longer range and faster charge times I think other than in a city they are useless.
 
Bebop said:
Hmmmm I'd like to see that.
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#2 is pretty straightforward. There's basically no fluids to worry about. No oil changes, no coolant flushes, no steering fluid (depending on design), much less common brake wear.
#3 depends heavily on your usage situation and what you're comparing it to.
 
RatLabGuy said:
#2 is pretty straightforward. There's basically no fluids to worry about. No oil changes, no coolant flushes, no steering fluid (depending on design), much less common brake wear.
#3 depends heavily on your usage situation and what you're comparing it to.
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#2
Gear oil in the gearbox.
Coolant in the battery and other systems
AC refrigerant
Brake fluid (wear or not, you're supposed to flush it periodically because air gets into it)
I'm sure I'm forgetting one or 2.


#3 of course
 
Bebop said:
#2
Gear oil in the gearbox.
Coolant in the battery and other systems
AC refrigerant
Brake fluid (wear or not, you're supposed to flush it periodically because air gets into it)
I'm sure I'm forgetting one or 2.


#3 of course
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Right.
But ICE engines have all those as well. (Except the battery coolant - which to be fair I haven’t researched to see if Tesla are even using liquid cooled bath systems)
So they are a wash.
 
Bebop said:
#2
Gear oil in the gearbox.
Coolant in the battery and other systems
AC refrigerant
Brake fluid (wear or not, you're supposed to flush it periodically because air gets into it)
I'm sure I'm forgetting one or 2.


#3 of course
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Ron said:
Right.
But ICE engines have all those as well. (Except the battery coolant - which to be fair I haven’t researched to see if Tesla are even using liquid cooled bath systems)
So they are a wash.
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Plus, these are all things needing attention very infrequently. Gear oil in my Mazda is a 90k mile change. That's 7.5 years for me, not even on the radar.
I didn't say NO maintenance.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Plus, these are all things needing attention very infrequently. Gear oil in my Mazda is a 90k mile change. That's 7.5 years for me, not even on the radar.
I didn't say NO maintenance.
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You said :

RatLabGuy said:
2 - less maintenance to worry about
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RatLabGuy said:
#2 is pretty straightforward. There's basically no fluids to worry about. No oil changes, no coolant flushes, no steering fluid (depending on design), much less common brake wear.
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Outside of the oil changes that isn't here anymore, the rest is the same.

But this does count as less maintenance, yes.

Ron said:
Right.
But ICE engines have all those as well. (Except the battery coolant - which to be fair I haven’t researched to see if Tesla are even using liquid cooled bath systems)
So they are a wash.
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Teslas do use a cooled battery too.
 
Bebop said:
You said :



Outside of the oil changes that isn't here anymore, the rest is the same.

But this does count as less maintenance, yes.



Teslas do use a cooled battery too.
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Im calling this bout a Ratty win albeit on a techncality....but I continue to have more confidence in Bebop technically than Ratty
 
Bebop said:
Teslas do use a cooled battery too.
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... that is specifically listed by Tesla as a lifetime part that requires no maintenance.

They also have no steering fluid.
 
Ron said:
Im calling this bout a Ratty win albeit on a techncality....but I continue to have more confidence in Bebop technically than Ratty
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A W is a W, I'll admit when I'm wrong.

I'm also not confident of what the later-life (past 8 yrs, 100k miles) repair costs of these vehicles is.
But that's not my problem :D
 
Bebop said:
Brake fluid (wear or not, you're supposed to flush it periodically because air gets into it)
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Hd Chuckle GIF


I kid, I kid... but seriously
 
I have a battery powered side by side. In 4 years, I've replaced the batteries once (bought it used, they were 8 years old and tired when I got it), I've put air in the tires a few times, and I had to change the diff-lock relay (same unit as a gasser). I've never changed the oil, air filter, plugs, alternator, coolant, or any of that gasser specific stuff. I also have a gas side by side. The motor is disassembled on my workbench and has been for a year. :D
 
Even the cheapest ones get 200+ miles range and can plug into a 110v to add some range every night while you sleep. Electric fits the vast majority of driving habits, myself included.
ghost said:
Yes very true. I'm just not interested in them. Until they get longer range and faster charge times I think other than in a city they are useless.
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How much does a new battery pack cost for a Tesla? How many miles are they good for?
 
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