....Black Sheep....

Discussion in 'Carolina Trailblazers' started by Nakoma, Jul 29, 2018.

  1. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    Yes I seen the rat rod and his car hauler he’s building. Both very cool, and he is definitely a very creative and cool guy! He is also wanting to build a Jeep based rat rod with a tdi engine!
     
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  2. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    Thanks to all for the advise on the frame. And I even threw out the idea of links. But I believe that @CasterTroy gave the best advise,which was KISS! That’s what I wanted this build to be all along. Yes, building a new frame was not in the plans. And is not simple. 43A24DCF-6775-4A10-8A0E-CFF8D523FE75.jpeg 887474E3-2719-40CC-8E00-09E41F92A129.jpeg 48AB9B40-38F7-42B5-87C7-1605B485886A.jpeg DC2877CD-1F96-4DA8-8C90-E964311DA7A7.jpeg 1265F9B3-A4CE-4BCF-A658-9881230E79A9.jpeg 87FD6222-206D-4BB9-99B4-DC4E4CDC9DE4.jpeg However, I found it silly to patch what I had and build around a weak foundation. So with that said I have started the frame build and I will make it to mimic the original. I will keep the factory width due to the fact I will run leaf springs. No more talk about links. (Yes I know this is the time to do it and they are superior to leafs). So here are a few pics of the frame build. I’ll have to take the sections over to my father in laws place next week and do the final welds. The 110 welder was good for the tact welds but not much more than that.
     
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  3. josh$$

    josh$$ FTA

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    May know a place with a 220 welder
     
  4. SNOWzuki

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    OK...I'm impressed!!!
    Looks like a great start to a great plan!
    OH! by the way....what's that green ride out by the tree line?
     
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  5. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    Thanks bud! But I have access to one about 500 yards from my house.
     
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  6. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    That’s the ‘75 Toyota
     
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  7. SNOWzuki

    SNOWzuki Well-Known Member

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    Ok.... the view from of the garage it almost looked like a old coupe.
    Thought you might have had an extra project.
     
  8. CasterTroy

    CasterTroy Motarded

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    When we go pick up the red one, I'm gonna use the time I have with him trapped in my truck to talk him into turning THAT one into a turbo charged, rally-cross daily driver :huggy::driver:
     
  9. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    :beer::beer:
    It wouldn’t take much convincing! :D:beer:
     
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  10. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    l need to pick yalls brain. I am happy with how the side profile of the frame turned out. Now I am thinking about making the profile as looking down on the frame. (Horizontal bends). I would like the leave these bend out and keep the frame straight. If I do this the center to center of frame will be 29.5” wide all the way down. The factory width at the rear is 39.5” center to center. So with the frame 10” narrower in the rear I’d have to move the rear spring perches in 5” each. I feel like this would have a negative impact on the handling of the truck, but I don’t know. What do y’all thing about the rear of the frame being that much narrower? @87GMCJimmy do y’all deal with this stuff , and what’s your opinion?
     
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  11. Chris_Keziah

    Chris_Keziah Joe Dirt

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    Moving the rear springs in that much will help articulation but it'll make the truck want to sway more too. Really depends on how far you can get the shocks outboard to counter act the springs. If it were me I use something like this from Ruffstuff to outboard the springs off the frame and keep it the way it is and outboard the some 14" shocks. You'll want the narrower frame when it comes time to package coilovers.
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  12. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! That’s the info I’m after. It looks like I’ll be sticking to a straight narrow frame.
     
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  13. adamk

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    Those outriggers will get you an extra 2" on each side (4" total). Depending on how deep your pockets are and how well you can triangulate the cross bracing of the frame(to combat twist of the frame rails), these may also work.

    Universal Shackle Flip Kit

    Edit, these will only work for the rear of the leaf spring. The front will still need to be figured out.
     
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  14. 49willys

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    I like the frame idea, give me a call on the construction!
     
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  15. paradisePWoffrd

    paradisePWoffrd Recovering Project Junkie

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    As mentioned, with the narrow frame, I would build the spring mounts similar to this:

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    It will help keep them from dragging on stuff. Also, you can set your ride height where you want, not based on how the springs settle.
     
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  16. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    Nice! Thanks
     
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  17. 87GMCJimmy

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    Sorry for the delay! Yes, we do a good bit of narrow vs wide frames, both by what vehicles they are and what tire and wheel package the customer wants. We run the coilovers and links inboard or outboard of the frame rails or even will "prostreet" a chassis with significantly narrower rear rails to afford space to tuck especially wide rear wheel and tire combos.

    As you run a narrower suspension setup, you will get more sway as there is more leverage exerted on the suspension. An outboard suspension yields a more stable handling vehicle. That being said, I concur with the advice of running the frame narrow and outboarding the leaf springs from the frame for stability. Also, as said, that plan allows space to run outboarded coilovers when the time comes! ; )
     
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  18. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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  19. 49willys

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    My only question is the joints, are there any internal plates to reinforce the weld joints?
     
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  22. Nakoma

    Nakoma Well-Known Member

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    No internal plates. I will externally fish plate all the joints inboard and outboard once the final welding is done. Do you think that will be sufficient?
     
  23. 49willys

    49willys Well-Known Member

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    Not a problem at all, a little cleaner and easier to work around if internal, try to avoid vertical welds, diagonals will give more strength, less stress.
    The frame looks awesome! Just checking in on progress. Wish I could have been at URE, Nasty stomach bug, I don't think I would have made it off the mountain with clean britches!
     
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    I have used this style of overlay to add rigidity to the frame.
     
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