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That's the problem. If they are undocumented/illegal you will never have any statistics on them until they are either arrested, or until they do something to be documented. That's literally an impossible ask.
its impossible to know 100% but you can get within 10% for sure. If you dig around there are tons of sources using different methods that all come to about the same numbers.
Tracking overstayed visas is actually pretty easy, because we know when you leave, unless you sneak out, which would be stupid.
So how many is it?
 
its impossible to know 100% but you can get within 10% for sure. If you dig around there are tons of sources using different methods that all come to about the same numbers.
Tracking overstayed visas is actually pretty easy, because we know when you leave, unless you sneak out, which would be stupid.
So how many is it?


Overstayed visas ARE documented. We are talking undocumented. The person(s) who crosses the Rio Grande from Mexico into Texas and just keeps going without Border Patrol noticing. The human caravans coming from Central America that are hoping to swarm in and overwhelm the system to the point that a portion - large or small - gets by. We've all played Capture the Flag or Sharks and Minnows as kids. Same principle. Cluster together to get the attention of the "guard", then scatter. Since the guards are outnumbered, some get through.

But in an effort to find said statistics, here are some from Chuck Fleischman, Ranking Member of the Homeland Security Subcommittee of Appropriations:

  • CBP has encountered 2,150,370 illegal immigrants crossing the border so far in FY22.
  • In August, there were 203,597 illegal crossings.
  • There have been 18 consecutive months of over 150,000 illegal border crossings.
  • Over 10,000 pounds of deadly fentanyl has been seized at the border this year.
  • This month, CBP is encountering up to 8,000 illegal immigrants each day.
  • Since President Biden took office, roughly 3.5 million illegal immigrants have attempted to cross the border.
 
its impossible to know 100% but you can get within 10% for sure. If you dig around there are tons of sources using different methods that all come to about the same numbers.
Tracking overstayed visas is actually pretty easy, because we know when you leave, unless you sneak out, which would be stupid.
So how many is it?
Overstaying a visa isn't always illegal.
I'm overstaying right now and have all the paperwork to do so.
 
Overstaying a visa isn't always illegal.
I'm overstaying right now and have all the paperwork to do so.
[runs to make call to INS hoping to get my hands on the buggy Enzo left to me in his will a little early]
 
Overstaying a visa isn't always illegal.
I'm overstaying right now and have all the paperwork to do so.
If Troy were a true friend - he'd offer to marry you in a polygamous three way.
Then you would be attached as the spouse of a bon-a-fide.

I mean...did I just find a loop hole?
 
Overstayed visas ARE documented. We are talking undocumented. The person(s) who crosses the Rio Grande from Mexico into Texas and just keeps going without Border Patrol noticing. The human caravans coming from Central America that are hoping to swarm in and overwhelm the system to the point that a portion - large or small - gets by. We've all played Capture the Flag or Sharks and Minnows as kids. Same principle. Cluster together to get the attention of the "guard", then scatter. Since the guards are outnumbered, some get through.

But in an effort to find said statistics, here are some from Chuck Fleischman, Ranking Member of the Homeland Security Subcommittee of Appropriations:

  • CBP has encountered 2,150,370 illegal immigrants crossing the border so far in FY22.
  • In August, there were 203,597 illegal crossings.
  • There have been 18 consecutive months of over 150,000 illegal border crossings.
  • Over 10,000 pounds of deadly fentanyl has been seized at the border this year.
  • This month, CBP is encountering up to 8,000 illegal immigrants each day.
  • Since President Biden took office, roughly 3.5 million illegal immigrants have attempted to cross the border.
overstays are still illegal. The relative % of people who are here illegally due to crossing the border - and staying afterwards - is small compared to the total number of people that come in legally and then don't leave when they are supposed to.

There is no denying a lot of people sneak in. But what nobody talks about is the # of people that also leave. All that really matters is how many stick around. And that number has historically been flat.
Even if it's not, the scale, extent, and impact of that problem is just not that big compared to everything else.
 
This is why we need Thanos, he was the real hero.
 
overstays are still illegal.
Not always. Read what I posted.

The relative % of people who are here illegally due to crossing the border - and staying afterwards - is small compared to the total number of people that come in legally and then don't leave when they are supposed to.
Got stats on that ?

[runs to make call to INS hoping to get my hands on the buggy Enzo left to me in his will a little early]
You'd have to call another agency. INS has nothing to do with me

Also, I just ripped the rear axle off on a big waterfall at AOP. Don't forget your forklift when you come get it.
 
There is no denying a lot of people sneak in.

So if there were a mechanism in place that would keep that from happening, or at least make it REALLY hard to sneak in, wouldn't it make sense for you to build such a thing?


We have 5 chickens now at our house. These chickens live in a coop and have a run which has a fence that is buried a foot down below the surface. This fence was put there not because chickens have a tendency to dig themselves out of coops, but because weasels and snakes like to dig their way in to get the chickens. We also have a Blink camera that alerts us to potential predators. And this is for chickens that we spent less than $50 on.
 
Not always. Read what I posted.
It's not illegal if you have permission. You're not listed as an illegal immigrant.
Got stats on that ?
It's in one of the links above.
But here is another
And another
 
It's not illegal if you have permission. You're not listed as an illegal immigrant.
In order to overstay a visa, you need a visa in the first place.
Which makes you a legal immigrant when you cross the border.

Thanks for adding the links. Didn't know it was that high. Impressive.
 
So if there were a mechanism in place that would keep that from happening, or at least make it REALLY hard to sneak in, wouldn't it make sense for you to build such a thing?


We have 5 chickens now at our house. These chickens live in a coop and have a run which has a fence that is buried a foot down below the surface. This fence was put there not because chickens have a tendency to dig themselves out of coops, but because weasels and snakes like to dig their way in to get the chickens. We also have a Blink camera that alerts us to potential predators. And this is for chickens that we spent less than $50 on.
I never said that we shouldn't be trying to prevent illegal crossing or that it's not a problem.
I'm simply pointing out the fact that it's not the largest source of the problem, and perhaps all of the emphasis on it is misplaced.
It's like @rockcity stated during a similar discussion a while ago, if you are in a sinking boat and looking to plug holes you should plug the biggest hole first.
Illegal border crossings are not the biggest hole and are not the biggest problem with our economy or our overpopulation.
 
In order to overstay a visa, you need a visa in the first place.
Which makes you a legal immigrant when you cross the border.

Thanks for adding the links. Didn't know it was that high. Impressive.
What you say is absolutely true and in agreement with what I'm saying. I'm not sure what your point is.
The statistics on illegal immigrants do not include people who overstay and then get proper paperwork to continue their stay. It includes people who overstay and do not, therefore making them no longer legal.
 
It's not illegal if you have permission. You're not listed as an illegal immigrant.

It's in one of the links above.
But here is another
And another

Unfortunately, stats from 5 years ago seem hardly relevant, but they are about all that's out there.
 
I'd have to be dead for you to be driving it. At that point, I don't care what you do with it.
No, I meant in Misfits FB when you said be sure to film it if I went up the waterfall at AOP :smokin:
 
If you care at all about having an education insight into this and not continuing to perpetuate lies, I suggest you read through here. It's a pretty good comprehensive review of all the relevant stats related to immigrants, legal and illegal, and how they relate to everything you keep mentioning

To cover some of your claims:
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In 2019, 33 percent (12.9 million) of the 39.5 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor’s degree or higher, similar to U.S.-born adults (see Figure 3). However, newer arrivals tend to be better educated; 48 percent of immigrants who entered the country between 2014 and 2019 held at least a bachelor’s degree.

So they are equally educated and have only slightly lower mean income compared to the native born.

The biggest difference is in health insurance, but even that isn't massive


So all in all, immigrants come in with the same education (or better), make slightly less money, and are a little less likely to have private health insurance,

But what about crime? Well there is zero evidence that legal immigrants have a crime rate any different from native born, and statistically, illegal immigrants - which is what I'm sure you are referring to, are FAR less likely to prevent crime than the native citizens. This has been proven over and over again.

So explain to me what the problem is here. We let people into the country that come in and work, make money, and commit fewer crimes. The per capita crime rate would actually go UP if we stopped.
Is it that we let soooo many people in? Well what does the stats say about how many we actually allow and how many actually come in?
Well that doc explains it all also. Here are some highlights because its too much to quote for you.
- less than a million green cards granted per year
- 2.8mil nonimigrant visas (temporary stay)
- Refugee/asylum was 18k in FY20, and only ~12k actually resettled here in FY21. Despite what you hear, the number granted asylum is very, very small.
- 75% of refugees identify as Christian subtypes
- estimated about 11mil illegal immigrants total in the country (remember - they don't stay, a large % that come in also go home) and has been stable for several years - meaning the number of illegals is not going up
- historically around 100k-200k are deported annually
- only a small % of all immigrants are here illegally

wait but those ilegals must be jobless bums right? Actually, no. The vast majority are employed in some fashion, and are cricial to our economy already.
In fact, a higher % of illegal immigrants are employed than everyone else. They actually contribute MORE.

Where is this poor destitute burden you speak of? Its not coming across the border.
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You know good and well I/we are talking about illegals. Hundreds of thousands over the last years. How do you know if they left? Or what their education is? All these illegals in the trades have bachelor's degrees?

My point is .. why let in so many? Legal or illegal? What do we need? At what cost? There are hundreds of stories of crime/deaths attributed to illegals and some legal too. Why do we import that? You ok with your elected officials allowing a person in that then kills your wife? Driving a nail or doing some plumbing is not the only thing that you need to be good at to make the USA an overall better place. If we need something, advertise it and hire. No more mass migration and illegal crossings. What is the goal? 400 million? 500 million? That will without a DoUBt make the USA a more sucky place to live. So why are we allowing it? Voting for it?
 
And what is this fascination on whether they leave or not? Fox gets in, kills a chicken, then leaves....that's ok?

Also, what does 100 million more people REALLY get us? Just random everyday people. Many of them poor and uneducated. What is the ACTUAL goal? I think you know.

(It's to keep a permanent underclass so they can continue to increase entitlements and divert tax dollars....Incase you didn't know....just today it's announced that AN EXTRA tens of BILLIONS of your taxes will be going to process people bum rushing the gates. What for? How does the help you or your family? You know what is cheaper? Closing the gate.)

Maybe you've not been negatively affected by unchecked immigration...ever increasing noise, lower property values, gangs, drugs, death, crime....but don't like it can't or won't happen to you. I'll be waiting to hear your tone change.

I don't dislike or like anyone based on race or gender or origin...I dislike the actions and behaviors. From the prez all the way down to the common law breaker. Big difference.
 
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I read this fascinating book one time about this undocumented immigrant. Was born as impoverished as you would imagine - being undocumented and all. Turned into a philosopher of sorts and told a lot of really wise tales. Turned out pretty rich though He never had any money.

Was a fascinating story - wish I could remember the name Id share it so you could read it, I suspect it might leave an impression on you.
 
Man we really have got to stop all these immigrants from coming in bc they're really going to fuck this place up, with all of their innovation and advancement in the tech and medical sectors
 
You know you are being very disingenuous.
But whatever helps you sleep at night
Its called sarcasm. If you don't understand that - and why we actually need immigrants - I can't help you.
 
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